[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone

I was just browsing an old course and came across the good old video The Machine is Using Us . Its been a while since I watched this, but re watching it shows it to be still true and useful in terms of perspective relating to decentralised, distributed, n

[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone

Yes, but networks are organic and fluid, focus ebbs and flows. so sometimes putting energy into keeping something relevant and strong is like paddling a canoe up stream. Turn the damn thing around, let the node die... Don't forget the long tail is forever... So 20 years from now any resource could

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; > > >> I can only agree to your reading on collaborative editing, the > main > > > reason > > > > >> why I've refrained from contributing contents, to see how things > work > > > and > > > > >> avoid potential u

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I can start my own page, node,  but seemed out of place, so > > focused on > > > >> Collage G-group until it fulfilled its role in COL's agenda. No > > criticism, > > > >> right? > > > > >> Re TQF I got involved replying to an email by Anil re conten

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>> Re TQF I got involved replying to an email by Anil re content > development > > >> and read the full thread with keen interest, same as the Wikipedia > entry. > > >> With such a diverse base of educators WE seems ideal to conduct some > > >> researc

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y/cultural specificities usually set > >> aside; or as some sort of repository.  But again, not for me to tell.   > >> I'll > >> start my own stuff to pursue my interests, otherwise I'll end quitting. > > >> I can only guess what you mean  by "group

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gt;>> aside; or as some sort of repository. But again, not for me to tell. I'll >>> start my own stuff to pursue my interests, otherwise I'll end quitting. >>> >>> >>> >>> I can only guess what you mean by "grouped thinking" (my ignor

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leties), keep fighting for your beliefs. I may not agree with you 100% >> which is healthy and enriching, but it doesn't mean I don't >> follow/like/admire what you do. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Alex >> >> >

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> > Cheers, > > > > Alex > > > > *De:* wikieducator@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *En nombre de *Leigh Blackall > *Enviado el:* jueves, 30 de octubre de 2008 22:46 > *Para:* wikieducator@googlegroups.com > *Asunto:* [WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator]

[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone

Leigh said: In my experience there has in fact been very very little actual collaborative editing on Wikieducator - and this is a good thing in many ways. ..It is kind of the opposite to software development, and so far it is opposite to Wikieducator. I myself have been following the collaborative

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On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Minhaaj, > > I'd be very interested in your detailed definition of "profiteering". > I think I may be getting a sense of what you mean, but I think I may > be missing even what should be considered profit... or why taken in a >

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profiteers"? Gee, rather strong, so I think we deserve to > > know. Political struggles...lol > > > Cheers, > > > Alex > > > -Mensaje original- > > De: wikieducator@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En > > nombre de Minhaaj ur Rehm

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Leigh, I believe I get what you are saying... Does the centrallizing nature of a COL influenced WE end up creating a wiki environment different to what we aspire? Is there a dissonence of localized and disparate learning modules with a controlled and centrallized management approach. As you say w

[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone

I agree, let's collaborate! Let's create a storytelling portal and see where it goes... If you agree with the storytelling theme, let me know and I will get started... Don't get me wrong, during my Masters there was a lot of collaboration. We collaborated on a lot of projects as small teams. I gu

[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone

Well, I should have probably said "a network of goals" implying openness, lack of bounds, non-hierarchical structure, and impossibility to know exactly how many there are. Here is why I am asking this question, though. If Wikispaces' network of goals mostly contains Wikieducator's network of goals,

[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone

But Maria! There we go again! Is there one single goal (or list of goals) for Wikieducator? Clearly there is, and that's what I'm challenging in some respects. I have my goals, you have yours.. what we share is an interest in education and the ability to share resources. Wikispaces focuses on provi

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Leigh, and others, What are the main differences in goals (and, as a result, "software-as-law") of Wikispaces and Wikieducator? On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Leigh Blackall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Nellie, I'm reflecting on the reality that not a lot of collaboration > happens the way we s

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I guess there's more than your UAE trip, but why are Patricia & > > Randy "destructive profiteers"? Gee, rather strong, so I think we deserve > to > > know. Political struggles...lol > > > > Cheers, > > > > Alex > > > > -Mensaje

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ut why are Patricia & > Randy "destructive profiteers"? Gee, rather strong, so I think we deserve to > know. Political struggles...lol > > Cheers, > > Alex > > -Mensaje original----- > De: wikieducator@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En > nombre de Minhaaj

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ra: wikieducator@googlegroups.com Asunto: [WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone Alex said: Sorry if pushy here but have you considered your approach could be perceived as an imposition itself? Criticism is great, and I mean it, but what alternatives do you suggest? Ever thou

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Leigh, I may be slow. I apologize because I certainly did not intend to ignore your suggestions. I had no idea anyone you were suggesting not to collaborate. I missed it all. I would be very grateful if you could explain what you mean by collaboration and why we don't need it. It may be that I misu

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Peter, Nellie I guess you're ignoring my suggestion that collaboration is NOT what we need. At least not the sort we have been thinking of and looking to measure... On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:18 PM, NELLIE DEUTSCH < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter, > You said: Come to think of it, during my mast

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Peter, You said: Come to think of it, during my masters we never took any courses specifically targeted toward creating collaborative works. Well, during my masters, we did a lot of collaborative team work. We wrote papers together and even created a collaborative WebQuest. Even in my doc program

[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone

Agree, Peter. It's important to project our hope towards the future and consider the macros, mesos and micros. However, more important is never forget to question them, discuss them, debate the multi-possibilities. Dealing with /knowing how to cope with cognitive dissonance and working collaborat

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> > I haven't yet come across any > materials that really get into teaching people to collaboratively > create materials... Maybe this is an OER that is well overdue... upon > a review of the recently published OER handbook (http:// > www.wikieducator.org/OER_Handbook/educator) there isn't a lot o

[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone

Leigh, A very wise observation. And you are correct, at an atomic level, we have very little collaborative work on WE. The whole of WE is a collaborative effort, yet all the individual lessons, materials, modules, etc... are in general created by an individual and rarely edited by another. So you

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Alex said: Sorry if pushy here but have you > considered your approach could be perceived as an imposition itself? > Criticism is great, and I mean it, but what alternatives do you suggest? > Ever thought TQF could ease many lives, e.g. qual recognition abroad, which > can be a real nightmare? >

[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone

Your asking something different. Originally you were talking about naming. Disambiguation would probably be a good example of this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Disambiguation For a good example of multiple pages from different points of view about the same concept perhaps look at this

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On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:27 AM, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We need the ability to subclass, reuse, alter, and create > multiple versions of OER. Localized yet reference the source... This > would provide diversity and celebrate similarities. I look forward to > the day where we can have m

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Chris, Can you please point me in the direction of some good examples? I want to see multiple pages from different points of view about the same concept. On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Chris Harvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Names stand for ideas, so there will be the one and the only page

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ofiteers"? Gee, rather strong, so I think we deserve to know. Political struggles...lol Cheers, Alex -Mensaje original- De: wikieducator@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Minhaaj ur Rehman Enviado el: jueves, 30 de octubre de 2008 10:09 Para: WikiEducator Asunto: [

[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone

will join. Hopefully, WE will keep going. From: Minhaaj ur Rehman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: WikiEducator Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:09:18 PM Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone Dear Leigh, i am amazed by your continous bringing up of co

[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone

Dear Leigh, i am amazed by your continous bringing up of controversial topics in wikieducator like me and i would like to applaud you for your tenacity. You can most certainly ignore people like Patricia and Randy who are ACTUALLY the destructive profiteers. Thanks for highlighting the issues that

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Peter, Is it really about ideas and opinions? I don't think so. I believe it's about egos and how we manage to live with our feelings. Ideas only get in the way. I think it's time we dealt with our emotions at a much deeper level so that ideas and circumstances don't separate us from ourselves and

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That was a fresh and accessible read thanks Peter. I especially liked and found interesting the 5 suggested areas of development research. There was a sudden jump in the level of detail, but I hung in there. BTW, have you heard of this thing called the Delphi Technique

[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone

Holly Poop! This is a thread that is really getting to the nut of the issue. And an issue that has me thinking, well to be honest, I've always found myself an anarchist and my trust of western philosophies "imposed" on others has often got my goat. You know, what right do we have to think we have

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> > Names stand for ideas, so there will be the one and the only page about > "constructivism" and "math" and "multiplication" in any wiki. > This is wrong, in an encyclopedia or dictionary this may be true. Warm regards Chris Harvey chris.superuser.com.au On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Leigh

[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone

Great insight Maria! You are more than close I think. A thing that has troubled me very much about the WIkieducator project is this one-ness. We all encourage each other to identify as Wikieductors (up until this thread), and the Wikipedia article gave me clarity on this concern. Some of us use wor

[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone

Some entities involved in this conversation are new to me. From this extreme newbie perspective, this conversation seems to be about "voting for the best, the most logical, the most streamlined" vs. having many different sorts, kinds and flavors of... curricula, connections, models, theories. Am I

[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone

Leigh Blackall > Enviado el: miércoles, 29 de octubre de 2008 6:38 > Para: wikieducator@googlegroups.com > Asunto: [WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone > > Anil, I see the TQF project as quite separate from the idea of a single > curriculum. TQF (to me) is primarily

[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone

@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Leigh Blackall Enviado el: miércoles, 29 de octubre de 2008 6:38 Para: wikieducator@googlegroups.com Asunto: [WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone Anil, I see the TQF project as quite separate from the idea of a single

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Anil, I see the TQF project as quite separate from the idea of a single curriculum. TQF (to me) is primarily about assessment and qualifications that have currency accross borders. Curriculum is about what and how we teach and learn. Admittedly, assessment and qualification frameworks have very hea

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Hi Leigh, My view is that TQF need not necessarily mean replacing of NQFs, where as we can further strengthen the NQFs by identifying learning outcomes etc which would be internationally accepted and that could naturally establish healthy bonds between TQF and NQFs. Here TQF will function as a m

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Leigh, Do not give up being so candid. And please do not consider your time spent with WE as too exhasting. You add great value, as I would like to think WE has also brought you great value and further insight into international efforts toward truely open education. Your knowledge on the matter

[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone

Thank you, Leigh for voicing your worries about the single curriculum and dotting the i's . I believe it is healthy to raise and discuss issues one is not comfortable with. If there are any doubts , everyone can only benefit and grow stronger with transparency and openness. Warm regards, Bee --

[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone

Thank you for your perspective Anil, I hope more will share theirs on this, however briefly if it is seen as a time wasting thread. It is helping me to think things through on a bigger picture level, even though I have gone ahead and edited the Wikipedia entry so it is consistent with other entries

[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone

Hi friends, There is nothing wrong in mentioning the founder in the very beginning of the topic, you can see thousands of such articles that are well read on www. Nothing that is man-made happens in the world without a sparkling thought in somebody's mind who has the initiative to trigger action

[WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone

Offense most certainly taken, and thank you Patricia, things are much clearer now. I'm sorry you see my concerns as destructive and personally motivated. For the record, I have made no such accusations of Wayne but acknowledge that it is very difficult not to. As long as Wayne is the central figure