[WSG] Background Alignment

Hello, I have a background that is centered horizontally but tiled vertically. Background-image: url(graphic); Background-alignment: center; Background-repeat: repeat-y; Everything looks fine the only difference is 1 pixel between IE and FF. Has anyone encounter a similar problem? Note: The bac

[WSG] Web Standards Charter - An Open Letter To WaSP

In an Open Letter to WaSP, we are proposing that WaSP should take the initiative and lead a campaign to change to how we in the Web Standards community communicate Web Standards to newcomers. The proposal involves the creation of a Web Standards Charter. Our proposal may affect many of you in th

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

As an added note to Linux fonts: It may be useful for some of you guys to know that on some major Linux distros ( Fedora, Debian, Slackware) in all browsers available through the KDE or Gnome fonts appear to be rendered slightly bigger than on WIN. Up to 5 % bigger. Even if you "import" fonts

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

On 10/4/05, Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've installed a lot of Linux distros, and surprisingly few install Vera > by default, though they usually include them on the installation media. Weird. I've not had a Linux install anytime in the past couple of years that didn't install the Bi

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

Right, but what I was saying was that none of those fonts are common on Linux machines. So if you make a font family that starts with Arial, be prepared to have 3 or 4 fallbacks for Linux. On 10/4/05, Peter Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Samuel Richardson>> So if the Linux fallback fo

RE: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

> From: Samuel Richardson > > So if the Linux fallback for Verdana is Bitstream Vera Sans, > what's the Linux fallback for Arial? Another answer could be Helvetica, I think that Arial is actually a copy of Helvetica (a much older typeface). -- Peter Williams ***

RE: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

> From: Samuel Richardson > > So if the Linux fallback for Verdana is Bitstream Vera Sans, > what's the Linux fallback for Arial? Agfa Monotype had this to say in a press release about Red Hat licencing their fonts: Albany, Cumberland and Thorndale are from Agfa Monotype's library of hand-

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

I don't remember the site I read, but there wasn't a fallback for Arial! It had percentages of fonts by user for Windows, Mac, and Linux. You could fallback to Geneva for Mac, but there wasn't anything for Linux. IMO arial isn't so hot for the web anyway. On 10/4/05, Samuel Richardson <[EMAIL PROT

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

Am I the only one that fills this way? Yes. Fonts are extremely important to web design and web standards. They have a lot to do with readability and user friendliness. It's not elitist.  

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

So if the Linux fallback for Verdana is Bitstream Vera Sans, what's the Linux fallback for Arial? Samuel Richardson Buddy Quaid wrote: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Most Linux systems have neither Verdana nor Arial installed, at least not by default. True, but these days nearly every L

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

At 08:32 PM 10/3/2005, Buddy Quaid wrote: I'm not trying to offend anybody here at all but so many posts about whether or not to use Verdana is just boring. Boring! Holy smokes, every technical field is boring unless the details happen to fascinate you. Boring isn't an attribute of informat

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

James Bennett wrote: > On 10/3/05, Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Most Linux systems have neither Verdana > > nor Arial installed, at least not by default. > True, but these days nearly every Linux distribution ships the free > Bitstream Vera font set, which includes a sans-serif wi

RE: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

> From: Buddy Quaid > > But like a tree, some of these discussions go out on a > long limb and lose focus of the big picture. Each member goes down a different branch at different times on the various projects they work on. If we allow them and others to extend that branch at that time, over time

Re: [WSG] Width defaulting to 100%?

Hi Kara, Unlike a , a div will expand to fill the available space (and not the content it contains), if a width is not specified. To achieve the layout you describe, you will need to: -set widths on the divs, and/or -set left or right margins to accommodate both divs, for example if [A] is 20p

RE: [WSG] Width defaulting to 100%?

You're a legend - thanks :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tatham Oddie (Fuel Advance) Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2005 1:00 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Width defaulting to 100%? Kara, Block elements (like ) always

Re: [WSG] Width defaulting to 100%?

Hi Kara, Check out tip 1 in the sitepoint Top Ten CSS Tricks article: http://www.sitepoint.com/article/top-ten-css-tricks As mentioned, block level elements default to 100% width unless specified, so one (of many) ways to change this, would be to specify "display: inline;". Cheers, Daniel Nitsc

RE: [WSG] Width defaulting to 100%?

Kara, Block elements (like ) always expand to the full width by default. By the sounds of it you're after an inline element, so either: A) use a instead or B) set display:inline; on the DIV You might find it helpful to read up on the difference between block and inline elements. Thanks,

[WSG] Width defaulting to 100%?

Hi guys, I have 2 divs inside a container. 1: a relatively positioned div to contain and position an image 2: another div, absolute position, to contain a submenu. Image on left, menu on right. For some reason, both divs are expanding horizontally to take up all the available space, even when

RE: [WSG] WE05

I noted that too, and I think that the issue may be in your interpretation of "header" (well it was what confused me anyway until I thought about it). Using a div with class=header is fine when the div is actually a "box" that contains for example your logo/menu etc. Other people call it the "mas

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

Yea, I agree with you on all of those issues...I myself love the use of css layout and try to choose the best fonts possible. But I guess what i'm trying to get at; is that there is a threshold on how far a group should take things in any direction. It seems that the big picture of web standard

[WSG] H1 content

Hi Damien, We recommend reserving the to describe the page content. Perhaps on the homepage and the 'About us' page this might be the same as the website name. Should you want to include the site name on the page, we recommend appending it to text instead. For example, if the page is on 'New

RE: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Buddy Quaid Sent: Tue 4/10/2005 13:32 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point. > I think there's something fundamentally wrong when a discussion about what > font you should and s

Re: [WSG] Site Review: hopkinsprogramming.net/

I just looked at the page in a text browser (links) and there's a couple of anoying issues. 1. This is not bad, but a bit of an anoyance. There is a notice about not having javascript. This appears at the top of the page. I don't think this is really neccisary. If you really want it, put it at the

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

I think there's something fundamentally wrong when a discussion about what font you should and shouldn't use is brought up in the context of web standards. Web Standards is nice but to me it seems like its becoming this 'Eliteist' approach, and if you don't follow the guidelines exactly right,

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

On 10/3/05, Lea de Groot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What specifically is the Lucida Sans addressing? Most distributions these days ship the Bitstream Vera fonts, but not all. Lucida Sans, however, is about as universal as you can get on Linux and gives you one last fall-back to aim at before hit

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:09:58 -0400, James Bennett wrote: > Verdana, "Bitstream Vera Sans", "Lucida Sans", sans-serif Now that is something useful to know! Thank you! What specifically is the Lucida Sans addressing? warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

On 10/3/05, Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Most Linux systems have neither Verdana > nor Arial installed, at least not by default. True, but these days nearly every Linux distribution ships the free Bitstream Vera font set, which includes a sans-serif with metrics similar to Verdana. Als

RE: [WSG] WE05

> You should try to make sure you actually are using a header as a header. > This is quite a mess because many web pages don't really fit the simple > h1 > h2 > etc hierarchy. It works well for academic papers, but wenever > I go to to build a website I always find myself confused as to what > shou

Re: [WSG] WE05

There's nothing in the HTML specs that would indicate that the contents of a header are limited to text. AFAIK you can put any inline level content in a header. In my opinion using an image with alt text is much better than using a background image with invisible text. In makes more sense semantica

RE: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

Yes - that was my point Graham Cook www.uaoz.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Samuel Richardson Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:00 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point. Surely

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

Surely you would also specify "sans-serif" as a generic fallback from Verdana rather then using a serifed font? Samuel Graham Cook wrote: I would ignore this advice also. For a start, the general advice is to use a sans-serif font for screen display - not a serif font such as Times New Roman

RE: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

I would ignore this advice also. For a start, the general advice is to use a sans-serif font for screen display - not a serif font such as Times New Roman, Garamond, Century or Bookman. It is standard practice to specify the fallback fonts or font families to use if one is not installed on the user

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

As Verdana comes bundled with a significant number of Microsoft products and the Windows operating system [...] With Mac OS X too. The 'attractiveness' of Verdana is matter of preference [...] it was designed specifically for onscreen legibility Exactly. More info:

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

Julián Landerreche wrote: > I have been reading few articles (like > http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/verdana.html) about avoiding > Verdana font. > But I cant get the whole point in this issue. > I mean: I understand that if you use a tiny font-size (like 10px or > 0.64em or 64% applie

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

Mike Brown said: > Thus a user without Verdana installed (not extremely likely currently) I'm sure theres around 20% of people who disagree with you on that one Mike ;-). I think the real issue behind a lot of font sizing problems that articles like this one are referring to stem from IE 5 days.

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

Hi Julián, There's no reason to avoid Verdana. In the example webpage you referenced, the author's chief concern seems to be with what happens to copy legibility if Verdana is *not* installed. As Verdana comes bundled with a significant number of Microsoft products and the Windows operatin

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

Julián Landerreche said: > So, please, can someone point me what am I missing about avoiding > Verdana? Verdana has a larger x-height than most fonts and thus *appears* larger than other fonts at the same specified size. My guess is it is roughly one or two pixels or a point size larger than, say

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

Julián Landerreche said: > I have been reading few articles (like > http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/verdana.html) about avoiding > Verdana font. > But I cant get the whole point in this issue. > > So, please, can someone point me what am I missing about avoiding > Verdana? > Honestly, I

Re: [WSG] Extreme Tracker and xhtml

I'm not quite sure what's going on, but the fact that they use document.write raises big flags: EXd.write(""); document.write is not part of the DOM standard and will does not work on XML pages (including XHTML). Your page is being sent as HTML so that shouldn't be the problem, but regardless, th

[WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.

Hi all, I have been reading few articles (like http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/verdana.html) about avoiding Verdana font. But I cant get the whole point in this issue. I mean: I understand that if you use a tiny font-size (like 10px or 0.64em or 64% applied to the body) you will get

Re: [WSG] Site Review: hopkinsprogramming.net/

Hopkins Programming wrote: @All - Still need suggestions on the WAI conundrum. http://www.hopkinsprogramming.net/ Well, I think you should definitely put some descriptive text in those links, as my text-only browsers can't even see that there are links there at the moment. Don't think that

Re: [WSG] Hacks / Work Arounds for IE Mac and Old er IE Pc versions

I would be interested to hear suggestions on methods for improving display across platformss / browsers - IE Mac - OS9 - IE Mac - OSX - other OS X broswers (I think everything works fine) Mac IE is the only Mac browser you need to hack if you are concerned about audiences great

[WSG] JOB POSTING: Web Designer/Developer

JOB POSTING: Web Designer/Developer Americans United for Separation of Church and State is seeking a web designer/developer to define and develop the online face of the organization (www.au.org). The ideal candidate will have experience with standards-based markup

RE: [WSG] Horizontal ordered lists

Hi Angela I was told of this issue recently and it is indeed a problem with ordered lists. I don't remember what the solution was, but I think it involved adding position:relative to the list items. You may also need to add height:1%; with a * html filter to make IE give it layout. See positionise

[WSG] Horizontal ordered lists

Hello, I'm having a totally BIZARRE problem where I'm trying to style an ordered list so that it displays in a horizontal line WITHOUT losing the numbering. The code and CSS I'm using is below: div#sections_nav ol li { float : left; width : 80px; }

RE: Use of cite WAS: Re: [WSG] Homepage Review: webnetdesignstudi os.com

Hi Joshua Cite can be an attribute of a Blockquote or q tag. However, it is the uri of the referenced quote. http://www.libraryofcongress.gov/constitution";> We the people... It will not appear visually unless you use css to add the uri to the block quotes presentation. However, if you right-cli

Re: [WSG] Site Review: hopkinsprogramming.net/

@Alan - I'm still working on the subsequent pages.  The home page is all ive updated at the moment. Thx for the heads up. @All - Still need suggestions on the WAI conundrum. Thanks all! ---ZacharyOn 10/3/05, Alan Trick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On http://www.hopkinsprogramming.net/products/vbdo

Re: [WSG] Check

thanks ;) - Original Message - From: "Conyers, Dwayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 4:16 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] Check Running the page through the translator at babelfish.altavista.com was good enough to translate the text. Looks good. -- Dwacon www.dwaco

RE: [WSG] Check

Running the page through the translator at babelfish.altavista.com was good enough to translate the text. Looks good. -- Dwacon www.dwacon.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 02,

Re: [WSG] Check

Interesting, Not really a problem with your site, but I just checked the headers of the top 4 sites and they had Content-Type: text/html. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi guys, > please check my new experiment. > > A Xhtml Websites List Directory. Sorry but is in italian language. > > http://ww

Re: [WSG] Site Review: hopkinsprogramming.net/

On http://www.hopkinsprogramming.net/products/vbdoodle/ the text in the 'VB DOODLE' box is overfollowing. This is on Firefox 1.0.7 Gentoo Linux. My guess is that this is an issue with fonts because my default font is not that ugly monster (:P) known as Times New Romans. Fonts tend to be quite an is

Re: [WSG] Site Review: www.47words.com

On 3 Oct 2005, at 5:47 pm, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: I do have one question that just came up while I was chatting with a friend: "Does the hreflang attribute on links do anything, really, or is it just a cosmetic thing that no browser does anything with?" (I'm using it on links to materials in

Re: [WSG] css variables

Drake, Ted C. wrote: Here’s the deal. I have a main navigation css. I’d like to create an alternate template and instead of replacing the nav.css with a new flavored nav.css, I’d like to put my color rules in a theme css file. Since I've only glanced at the solutions referred to in some of t

Re: [WSG] Homepage Review: webnetdesignstudios.com

Michael, I understand that the Internet is an electronic medium, and I’m quite aware of all the browser nuances and additional devices employed to render websites. However, what I said was that the Internet is also a visual medium, which is an important aspect of site design that must be consid

Re: [WSG] Site Review: www.47words.com

Nolan Winthrop wrote: Thanks for the comments, Georg, Wybe. I've made some corrections to it: notably shifting to percentages and ems for font-sizes; changing to onfocus for the search form. The use of small root-value for font-size (76% on body in your case) has the negative side-effect of