[zfs-discuss] # disks per vdev

2011-06-14 Thread Lanky Doodle
Hiya, I am just in the planning stages for my ZFS Home Media Server build at the moment (to replace WHS v1). I plan to use 2x motherboard ports and 2x Supermicro AOC-SASLP-MV8 8 port SATA cards to give 17* drive connections; 2 disks (120GB SATA 2.5) will be used for the ZFS install using the

[zfs-discuss] Disk replacement need to scan full pool ?

2011-06-14 Thread Rasmus Fauske
Hi, I want to replace some slow consumer drives with new edc re4 ones but when I do a replace it needs to scan the full pool and not only that disk set (or just the old drive) Is this normal ? (the speed is always slow in the start so thats not what I am wondering about, but that it needs

Re: [zfs-discuss] # disks per vdev

2011-06-14 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Lanky Doodle The ZFS install will be mirrored, but I am not sure how to configure the 15 data disks from a performance (inc. resilvering) vs protection vs usable space perspective; 3x 5

Re: [zfs-discuss] optimal layout for 8x 1 TByte SATA (consumer)

2011-06-14 Thread Paul Kraus
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Erik Trimble erik.trim...@oracle.com wrote: I'd have to re-look at the exact numbers, but, I'd generally say that 2x6raidz2 vdevs would be better than either 1x12raidz3 or 4x3raidz1 (or 3x4raidz1, for a home server not looking for super-critical protection (in

Re: [zfs-discuss] Disk replacement need to scan full pool ?

2011-06-14 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Rasmus Fauske I want to replace some slow consumer drives with new edc re4 ones but when I do a replace it needs to scan the full pool and not only that disk set (or just the old drive)

[zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Jim Klimov
Hello, A college friend of mine is using Debian Linux on his desktop, and wondered if he could tap into ZFS goodness without adding another server in his small quiet apartment or changing the desktop OS. According to his research, there are some kernel modules for Debian which implement ZFS,

[zfs-discuss] zfs global hot spares?

2011-06-14 Thread Jim Klimov
Hello all, Is there any sort of a Global Hot Spare feature in ZFS, i.e. that one sufficiently-sized spare HDD would automatically be pulled into any faulted pool on the system? So far I saw adding hot spares dedicated to a certain pool. And perhaps scripts to detach-attach hotspares between

Re: [zfs-discuss] # disks per vdev

2011-06-14 Thread Lanky Doodle
Thanks Edward. I'm in two minds with mirrors. I know they provide the best performance and protection, and if this was a business critical machine I wouldn't hesitate. But as it for a home media server, which is mainly WORM access and will be storing (legal!) DVD/Bluray rips i'm not so sure I

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread David Magda
On Tue, June 14, 2011 08:15, Jim Klimov wrote: Hello, A college friend of mine is using Debian Linux on his desktop, and wondered if he could tap into ZFS goodness without adding another server in his small quiet apartment or changing the desktop OS. According to his research, there are

Re: [zfs-discuss] # disks per vdev

2011-06-14 Thread Marty Scholes
I am asssuming you will put all of the vdevs into a single pool, which is a good idea unless you have a specific reason for keeping them separate, e.g. you want to be able to destroy / rebuild a particular vdev while leaving the others intact. Fewer disks per vdev implies more vdevs, providing

Re: [zfs-discuss] # disks per vdev

2011-06-14 Thread Lanky Doodle
Thanks martysch. That is what I meant about adding disks to vdevs - not adding disks to vdevs but adding vdevs to pools. If the geometry of the vdevs should ideally be the same, it would make sense to buy one more disk now and have a 7 disk raid-z2 to start with, then buy disks as and when

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs global hot spares?

2011-06-14 Thread Richard Elling
On Jun 14, 2011, at 5:18 AM, Jim Klimov wrote: Hello all, Is there any sort of a Global Hot Spare feature in ZFS, i.e. that one sufficiently-sized spare HDD would automatically be pulled into any faulted pool on the system? Yes. See the ZFS Admin Guide section on Designating Hot Spares

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Sriram Narayanan
There's also ZFS from KQInfotech. -- Sriram On 6/14/11, David Magda dma...@ee.ryerson.ca wrote: On Tue, June 14, 2011 08:15, Jim Klimov wrote: Hello, A college friend of mine is using Debian Linux on his desktop, and wondered if he could tap into ZFS goodness without adding another

Re: [zfs-discuss] optimal layout for 8x 1 TByte SATA (consumer)

2011-06-14 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Tue, Jun 14 at 8:04, Paul Kraus wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Erik Trimble erik.trim...@oracle.com wrote: I'd have to re-look at the exact numbers, but, I'd generally say that 2x6raidz2 vdevs would be better than either 1x12raidz3 or 4x3raidz1 (or 3x4raidz1, for a home server not

Re: [zfs-discuss] optimal layout for 8x 1 TByte SATA (consumer)

2011-06-14 Thread Paul Kraus
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Eric D. Mudama edmud...@bounceswoosh.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 14 at  8:04, Paul Kraus wrote: I saw some stats a year or more ago that indicated the MTDL for raidZ2 was better than for a 2-way mirror. In order of best to worst I remember the rankings as:

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Marty Scholes
Just for completeness, there is also VirtualBox which runs Solaris nicely. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs global hot spares?

2011-06-14 Thread Richard Elling
On Jun 14, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Jim Klimov wrote: 2011-06-14 19:23, Richard Elling пишет: On Jun 14, 2011, at 5:18 AM, Jim Klimov wrote: Hello all, Is there any sort of a Global Hot Spare feature in ZFS, i.e. that one sufficiently-sized spare HDD would automatically be pulled into any

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Jim Klimov
2011-06-14 21:38, Marty Scholes пишет: Just for completeness, there is also VirtualBox which runs Solaris nicely. Are there estimates on how performant and stable would it be to run VirtualBox with a Solaris-derived NAS with dedicated hardware disks, and use that from the same desktop? I did

Re: [zfs-discuss] Disk replacement need to scan full pool ?

2011-06-14 Thread Stephan Budach
Am 14.06.11 15:12, schrieb Rasmus Fauske: Den 14.06.2011 14:06, skrev Edward Ned Harvey: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Rasmus Fauske I want to replace some slow consumer drives with new edc re4 ones but when I do a replace

Re: [zfs-discuss] Disk replacement need to scan full pool ?

2011-06-14 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
Hi, I want to replace some slow consumer drives with new edc re4 ones but when I do a replace it needs to scan the full pool and not only that disk set (or just the old drive) Is this normal ? (the speed is always slow in the start so thats not what I am wondering about, but that it

Re: [zfs-discuss] Disk replacement need to scan full pool ?

2011-06-14 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On 06/14/11 04:15, Rasmus Fauske wrote: I want to replace some slow consumer drives with new edc re4 ones but when I do a replace it needs to scan the full pool and not only that disk set (or just the old drive) Is this normal ? (the speed is always slow in the start so thats not what I am

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Sriram Narayanan
I just learned from the Phoronix website that KQ Infotech has stopped working on ZFS for Linux, but that their github repo is still active. Also, zfsonlinux.org mentioned earlier on this mail thread is seeing active development. -- Sriram On 6/14/11, Sriram Narayanan sri...@belenix.org wrote:

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
Are there estimates on how performant and stable would it be to run VirtualBox with a Solaris-derived NAS with dedicated hardware disks, and use that from the same desktop? I did actually suggest this as a considered variant as well ;) I am going to try and build such a VirtualBox for my

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Erik Trimble
On 6/14/2011 12:50 PM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: Are there estimates on how performant and stable would it be to run VirtualBox with a Solaris-derived NAS with dedicated hardware disks, and use that from the same desktop? I did actually suggest this as a considered variant as well ;) I am

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool import hangs any zfs-related programs, eats all RAM and dies in swapping hell

2011-06-14 Thread Frank Van Damme
2011/6/10 Tim Cook t...@cook.ms: While your memory may be sufficient, that cpu is sorely lacking.  Is it even 64bit?  There's a reason intel couldn't give those things away in the early 2000s and amd was eating their lunch. A Pentium 4 is 32-bit. -- Frank Van Damme No part of this copyright

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool import hangs any zfs-related programs, eats all RAM and dies in swapping hell

2011-06-14 Thread Tim Cook
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Frank Van Damme frank.vanda...@gmail.comwrote: 2011/6/10 Tim Cook t...@cook.ms: While your memory may be sufficient, that cpu is sorely lacking. Is it even 64bit? There's a reason intel couldn't give those things away in the early 2000s and amd was

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool import hangs any zfs-related programs, eats all RAM and dies in swapping hell

2011-06-14 Thread Jim Klimov
2011-06-15 0:16, Frank Van Damme пишет: 2011/6/10 Tim Cookt...@cook.ms: While your memory may be sufficient, that cpu is sorely lacking. Is it even 64bit? There's a reason intel couldn't give those things away in the early 2000s and amd was eating their lunch. A Pentium 4 is 32-bit.

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs global hot spares?

2011-06-14 Thread Fred Liu
What is the difference between warm spares and hot spares? ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool import hangs - pls help

2011-06-14 Thread Nathan Kroenert
Hi Max, Unhelpful questions about your CPU aside, what else is your box doing? Can you run up a second or third shell (ssh or whatever) and watch if the disks / system are doing any work? Were it Solaris, I'd run: iostat -x prstat -a vmstat mpstat (Though as discussed, you

[zfs-discuss] The length of zpool history

2011-06-14 Thread Fred Liu
I assume the history is stored in the meta data. Is it possible to configure how long/much history can be stored/displayed? I know it is doable via external/additional automation like porting to a database. Thanks. Fred ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

[zfs-discuss] zpool/zfs properties in SNMP

2011-06-14 Thread Fred Liu
Hi, Anyone who is successfully poll the zpool/zfs properties thrun SNMP? Thanks. Fred ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] question about COW and snapshots

2011-06-14 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Simon Walter I'm looking to create a NAS with versioning for non-technical users (Windows and Mac). I want the users to be able to simply save a file, and a revision/snapshot is created. I

[zfs-discuss] zfs usable space?

2011-06-14 Thread Ding Honghui
I have 15x1TB disks, each disk usable space should be 1Tib=1B=1/1024/1024/1024G=931G. As it shows in command format: # echo | format | grep MD 3. c4t60026B900053AA1502C74B8F0EADd0 DELL-MD3000-0735-931.01GB 4. c4t60026B900053AA1502C94B8F0EE3d0

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov A college friend of mine is using Debian Linux on his desktop, and wondered if he could tap into ZFS goodness without adding another server in his small quiet apartment or

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Fajar A. Nugraha
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Jim Klimov jimkli...@cos.ru wrote: Hello,  A college friend of mine is using Debian Linux on his desktop, and wondered if he could tap into ZFS goodness without adding another server in his small quiet apartment or changing the desktop OS. According to his

Re: [zfs-discuss] question about COW and snapshots

2011-06-14 Thread Richard Elling
On Jun 14, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Simon Walter wrote: I'm looking to create a NAS with versioning for non-technical users (Windows and Mac). I want the users to be able to simply save a file, and a revision/snapshot is created. I could use a revision control software like SVN (it has

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs global hot spares?

2011-06-14 Thread Fred Liu
-Original Message- From: Richard Elling [mailto:richard.ell...@gmail.com] Sent: 星期三, 六月 15, 2011 11:59 To: Fred Liu Cc: Jim Klimov; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs global hot spares? On Jun 14, 2011, at 2:36 PM, Fred Liu wrote: What is the