Regarding the import of files based on my test: Unity: literally drag&drop from the folder to the view, it takes 3 seconds, and you have all your meshes directly into the editor, ready to be setup ( so you have as many separate meshes as in Softimage/Maya/3ds ), same thing for the rigged character, just drag&drop, its really really friendly :)
UDK: not bulk import option, so you have to manually import each meshes one by one, which is quite tedious, but in general I'm not too bothered with it. Regarding characters there are a couple of steps that needs to be done, especially if you want to try some animations you have to setup everything properly, otherwise it will get quite messy. To test the characters, as shown in my tutorials, from Softimage to UDK it takes roughly 8-10 minutes, while in Unity the process is easier and straight forward. Although for cloth ( Apex clothing ) I'm exporting my character to Maya, and from there export the cloth to UDK. Cryengine: its easy to import all the stuff, but the thing that I found a bit frustrating is, when setup the characters, I always have a couple of errors related to the character, which are quite annoying...I notice I'm not the only one experiencing those errors, and in the end it could be quite annoying...anyway Overall Unity is one of the most open engine I've ever tried, and it works perfectly with FBX....with the new features ( Mechanim and so on ) its really really easy to setup your character and test everything, even if for an artist some scripting knowledge is required, while in UDK you can easily setup what you want using a visual scripting tool ( Kismet ) and go mad with it I've seen some architectural visualization done with both UDK and Cryengine and they look stunning, but if you're looking for just visuals with no interactivity, you can juts use Lumion, which works great with FBX and the preview is amazing ( 5 seconds per frame using Ati 7950 3GB ). So, if you want to add interactivity ( man walking around, opening doors, turn of lights and so on ) you might want to try Cryengine/UDK, while if you just want to create visuals without rendering the entire thing into Soft/Maya/3ds just use Lumion Cheers 2014-03-03 10:59 GMT+01:00 Tim Leydecker <bauero...@gmx.de>: > > in case of using an engine for previz, what would you recomend, cryengine > > or udk? > > I would recommend udk because of the *.fbx pipeline but would also > recommend > to make sure you work in 1cm=1 unit, udk sample assets are often made for > roughly 1cm=2 units. > > Regarding cryengine, it is reasonably simple to import character animation > stuff > and linking things using modifications of existing scripts but, atm the new > animation system is not fully documented. > > Getting static assets (incl. collisions) into cryengine is as easy as in > udk. > > Mind you, I can switch between Maya/3dsMax/Softimage for whatever gives me > the best combination for exports, I didn´t bother to try and go directly > from > Softimage to udk/cryengine but put 3dsMax/Maya inbetween to easy the bumps. > > All that said, maybe it´s easiest to look into unity for flexibility and > freedom? > > Cheers, > > tim > > > > > On 03.03.2014 01:58, Francisco Criado wrote: > >> in case of using an engine for previz, what would you recomend, cryengine >> or udk? >> F. >> >> >> >> 2014-03-02 17:12 GMT-03:00 Francisco Criado <malcriad...@gmail.com>: >> >> Hi Tim, >>> >>> thanks for the info, i wanted to do this: >>> http://youtu.be/3uxx2fFb2Z4 >>> About importing characters in cryengine there are a couple of guys in the >>> forum that had success from softomage. >>> And found this too, >>> http://www.crydev.net/newspage.php?news=79949 >>> This post made me sit again in front of cryengine agian, lets see what >>> comes out ;) >>> F. >>> >>> On Sunday, March 2, 2014, Tim Leydecker <bauero...@gmx.de> wrote: >>> >>> Do you know if there is an option in Cryengine, that would let me >>>>> >>>> output the game in full view without crytek´s ui? like Unity on UDK >>>> >>>> I´m not sure what you mean. >>>> >>>> Is that it? >>>> >>>> http://freesdk.crydev.net/display/SDKDOC2/Basic+Game+Logic >>>> >>>> I remember it took me a bit to understand how to set up a player start >>>> in >>>> cryengine >>>> to play full screen (starting from that location) in the sandbox editor. >>>> >>>> I didn´t try to capture or load levels sofar, as that wasn´t neccessary >>>> yet. >>>> >>>> Sorry, I also don´t have a example file at hand, my file disks are >>>> unlinked because >>>> I´m currently in the process to switch this box from xp64 os to >>>> win7/win8.1 >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> tim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 02.03.2014 18:36, Francisco Criado wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Tim, >>>>> >>>>> yeap, already made my first tests on cryengine and unity. The first one >>>>> has amazing graphics but just couldn´t give it the necesary time to do >>>>> something different than fps. In >>>>> Unity was different, everything is possible, is very very friendly like >>>>> a softimage concept :) but graphics ouch, they really hurt for someone >>>>> used >>>>> to CG. What i liked a lot from >>>>> cryengine was the tools for rapid prototyping, like the paint tools for >>>>> models and textures. >>>>> Tried UDK (just a couple of hours a few times) but didn´t like the ui, >>>>> was like maya or worst, max.Saw the tech demo of UE4 and yes, amazing >>>>> grapchics. Maybe is just a matter of >>>>> getting used to the ui. >>>>> Even though it would be nice to get hands on cryengine cinebox, but it >>>>> seems they are in a closed beta. >>>>> Do you know if there is an option in Cryengine, that would let me >>>>> output >>>>> the game in full view without crytek´s ui? like Unity on UDK. >>>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>> F. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2014-03-02 14:15 GMT-03:00 Tim Leydecker <bauero...@gmx.de <mailto: >>>>> bauero...@gmx.de>>: >>>>> >>>>> How about giving udk, cryengine or unity a try? >>>>> >>>>> I´ve found that spending time with udk, then cryengine helped me >>>>> grow as an artist,especially in terms of modeling and >>>>> shading/texture mapping. >>>>> >>>>> It is quite rewarding to have your own character run around and to >>>>> play with it. >>>>> >>>>> UDK is reasonably well covered on youtube to get into it and lets >>>>> you use most of it´s sample files as a base for your own prototype >>>>> game, >>>>> including the default animation library to make bots run (at least >>>>> for a start), >>>>> even if it is more difficult to make things work initially, >>>>> that´s a >>>>> good start. >>>>> >>>>> Cryengine may probably feel easier to get into, because it´s >>>>> sandbox >>>>> and file structures >>>>> are more clearly recognizeable as from the windows/microsoft world >>>>> but the small print >>>>> has to be read and properly understood, none of the sample files >>>>> can >>>>> be in your prototype, >>>>> IF you plan on releasing it for free or at all. Also, atm, the >>>>> sample skeletons (in sample files 3.4) >>>>> don´t go well with the engine version 3.5.7, so you´ll have some >>>>> grief making your own character >>>>> work with the cryengine animation system (in progress/change atm, >>>>> too). >>>>> >>>>> I would think unity is the most flexible option but I didn´t get >>>>> around to play with it >>>>> sofar because I landed a job on a project which (as usual) pretty >>>>> much brings everything >>>>> else to a halt. >>>>> >>>>> In terms of movie vs. advertisement vs. games. I´m a male, tripple >>>>> AAA blockbuster type of guy, >>>>> that´s what sets the bar and that´s where most of my money will >>>>> go. >>>>> Getting money out of it >>>>> I find more difficult, mostly because getting access to such >>>>> projects is still difficult >>>>> in Germany, there´s only a handful of places to look for work at >>>>> and >>>>> overly generalizing, >>>>> they get those high profile jobs because they try to cut into that >>>>> market, not because >>>>> they´ve set the reference for others. Again, that´s overly >>>>> generalising and should not >>>>> be understood as speaking poorly of fellow artists. A great many >>>>> of >>>>> my former collegues >>>>> have moved away to get access to better projects&opportunities not >>>>> sufficently available >>>>> to them here in Germany. Myself, atm I´m at a shop I like, nice >>>>> projects and nice collegues >>>>> but I don´t know for how long this´ll be, simply given the amount >>>>> of >>>>> work available and competition >>>>> for these jobs on a show in general. >>>>> >>>>> Personally, I´m looking forward to games, unreal engine 4 looks >>>>> sickening good. >>>>> >>>>> If I project that linearly ahead 1-5 years, bamm. Real, in >>>>> real-time. With story. >>>>> >>>>> Nice. >>>>> >>>>> tim >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 02.03.2014 17:48, Francisco Criado wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Same as Mauricio here, what i think is that these kind of >>>>> games >>>>> that have more a storyline like a movie than first person shooter >>>>> games, >>>>> are quite interesting in terms of >>>>> production.You see all the effort and detail they put in every >>>>> area, and its quite similar. >>>>> >>>>> In terms of ethics, selling coke, alcohol or cigarettes is the >>>>> same as making a jackpot game or a fps game, in my opinion. >>>>> Just thought that working in a game production would be same >>>>> like film or better, animated features, completely different than tv >>>>> ads, >>>>> where we are always running, and if >>>>> someone >>>>> on the marketing office says "more red" people start crying, >>>>> jumping from buildings and drinking energy drinks until they die! You >>>>> know >>>>> what they say, "ad, love it or leave it" >>>>> >>>>> F. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2014-03-02 9:07 GMT-03:00 Maurício PC <goneba...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto: >>>>> goneba...@gmail.com> <mailto:goneba...@gmail.com <mailto: >>>>> goneba...@gmail.com>>>: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's actually a nice input and could generate a nice >>>>> discussion about it. >>>>> >>>>> I do agree in some extend ... MMO is not something I >>>>> would >>>>> want to work, but take this game for example "The Last of Us", I >>>>> thought >>>>> they spend a lot of time creating a >>>>> good >>>>> history that works like a movie. >>>>> >>>>> So that game I would like to be a part of. I haven't >>>>> played >>>>> games in years, but after seeing the documentary I got a will to play >>>>> this >>>>> game at least. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Stefan Kubicek < >>>>> s...@tidbit-images.com <mailto:s...@tidbit-images.com> <mailto: >>>>> s...@tidbit-images.com <mailto:s...@tidbit-images.com>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> __ >>>>> >>>>> My very personal experience with games is that when >>>>> you >>>>> come from Film/Advertising you don't want to transition to games for >>>>> two >>>>> reasons: >>>>> >>>>> 1.) Money. All the places I've been in pay >>>>> considerably >>>>> less than what you can earn elsewhere (esp. commercials), and telling a >>>>> story or vision (assuming that this >>>>> is the >>>>> prime motivation in pretty much any artist, whether >>>>> they know it or not) is a lot harder and convoluted than in pretty >>>>> much any >>>>> other media. >>>>> >>>>> 2) Ethics. You produce something that steals peoples >>>>> time on a much larger scale than any single movie or ad ever could. >>>>> Online >>>>> slot-machine type of games are even >>>>> worse, >>>>> where people can loose a fortune. I played a lot of >>>>> games when I was a kid and I know first hand that they can be very >>>>> addictive, and I don't want to make money >>>>> exploiting >>>>> other peoples addictions. To me that's just...bad >>>>> karma >>>>> :-) >>>>> Educational games are an exception to that, but >>>>> having >>>>> certain expectations towards what is considered "quality" in a game >>>>> (artistic and technical excellence, both >>>>> of which >>>>> usually require higher budgets than what is commonly >>>>> available in education) will most likely make you want to do something >>>>> else, or leave you frustrated. Mind >>>>> you, during >>>>> the making, and some time after, I considered >>>>> Manhunt2 >>>>> the single most rewarding game I ever worked on (Rockstar), in which >>>>> you >>>>> can sneak up on people and >>>>> "execute" them >>>>> by poking their eyes out with a glass shard or choke >>>>> them with a plastic bag. How f#%&§ed up is that? While most of this >>>>> was so >>>>> over the top up to the point where >>>>> it was >>>>> already strangely funny and entertaining again from a >>>>> grown up players point of view, there are not only grown ups playing >>>>> these >>>>> kind of games, and many grown ups >>>>> are not >>>>> grown up to begin with. Of course you can lean back >>>>> and >>>>> say: Not my problem, it's peoples own decision what they play, and >>>>> parents >>>>> responsibility to look after >>>>> their kids >>>>> and what they play. Or you take responsibility >>>>> yourself >>>>> and just not make that kind of stuff in the first place. >>>>> >>>>> If anything, making computer games made me stop >>>>> playing >>>>> computer games entirely. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> they did an amazing job! does any of you guys >>>>> that >>>>> work on games came from film or comercials? i wonder how to make the >>>>> translation to the game industry being >>>>> a generalist. >>>>> >>>>> F. >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, February 28, 2014, Stefan Kubicek < >>>>> s...@tidbit-images.com <mailto:s...@tidbit-images.com> <mailto: >>>>> s...@tidbit-images.com <mailto:s...@tidbit-images.com>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the link Nicolas! >>>>> Naughty Dog is completely insane when it >>>>> comes >>>>> to details and atmosphere - always outstanding work. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Interesting behind the scene of a good >>>>> videogame,and some technical info >>>>> (Maya) >>>>> The shocking thing is that they key >>>>> facial >>>>> expressions.by <http://expressions.by> <http://expressions.by> >>>>> hand,which I >>>>> found completely insane... >>>>> >>>>> Exclusive | Grounded: The making of The >>>>> Last of Us <https://www.youtube.com/__watch?v=R0l7LzC_h8I&feature=__ >>>>> youtube_gdat >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0l7LzC_h8I&feature= >>>>> youtube_gdat>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> __--------------- >>>>> Stefan Kubicek ste...@keyvis.at <mailto: >>>>> ste...@keyvis.at> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> __--------------- >>>>> keyvis digital imagery >>>>> Alfred Feierfeilstraße 3 >>>>> A-2380 Perchtoldsdorf bei Wien >>>>> Phone: +43 (0) 699 12614231 >>>>> <tel:%2B43%20%280%29%20699%__2012614231> >>>>> www.keyvis.at <http://www.keyvis.at> <http://www.keyvis.at> >>>>> >>>>> -- This email and its attachments are -- >>>>> -- confidential and for the recipient only -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ------------------------------__------------- >>>>> Stefan Kubicek >>>>> ------------------------------__------------- >>>>> keyvis digital imagery >>>>> Alfred Feierfeilstraße 3 >>>>> A-2380 Perchtoldsdorf bei Wien >>>>> Phone: +43/699/12614231 <tel:%2B43%2F699%2F12614231> >>>>> www.keyvis.at <http://www.keyvis.at> <http://www.keyvis.at> >>>>> ste...@keyvis.at <mailto:ste...@keyvis.at> <mailto:ste...@keyvis.at< >>>>> mailto: >>>>> ste...@keyvis.at>> >>>>> >>>>> -- This email and its attachments are -- >>>>> --confidential and for the recipient only-- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> gonebadfx.com <http://gonebadfx.com> <http://gonebadfx.com> >>>>> >>>>> - your source for bad fx >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>
