perhaps I am terrible ignorant to think this and I have no knowledge of what
the upcoming 2015 version of Maya will contain, but to kill Softimage I would
think that Maya would have to prove to be an ice replacement within 2 years.
How else do you justify it. In my opinion Autodesk considers Maya superior in
everyway except ICE, so that would be the last step needed to make Softimage
totally redundant (again in the eyes of Autodesk).
From: Jonah Friedman
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 3:57 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: ICE in Maya is it really possible?
To make matters worse for the Bifrost-replacing-ice idea-
Bifrost, at the moment, is fluid simulation. Hell, Bifrost hasn't even been
proven to be good at fluid simulation yet, although I have no doubt it
eventually can be. But as for Bifrost-the-ICE-replacement, it's not even at the
level of vaporware. It hasn't been officially promised, just vaguely hinted at.
Once Bifrost actually succeeds at its current purpose- fluid simulation- then
we can talk about what it might take to rebuild ICE based on it.
I'm imagining one possible future a couple years down the line everyone is
happy that Maya finally solved their fluid simulation problem which is
apparently holding Maya back, and team Bifrost turns their attention to
replacing ICE. At this point, they're several years away from making something
as good as ICE and we can start having this conversation in earnest. This is a
best case scenario.
There's another possible future where where it turns out people are using
Houdini and/or Realflow for their fluid simulation needs, and nobody cares very
much about having one directly in Maya, even if it's awesome, and Bifrost is
deemed yet another misguided direction Maya was taken in by AD. And in this
future, no matter how good the technical underpinnings of bifrost are, and ICE
is a distant memory and Bifrost is just more abandonware in Maya.
So yeah, I wouldn't hold my breath for an ice replacement from Autodesk.
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Daniel Sweeney <dan...@northforge.co.uk> wrote:
I will be surprised if bit frost is anything compared to ice. But who knows.
I will be honest I have never used Maya, and never have ventured into that
territory from things I have heard. With all the thing I'm reading after the
EOL was announce I just think out the box it far too technical/hardwork for my
personal work flow.
Let's be rational, ice is 5 some years old and was 2-3 years in the making
before that. So that's 7-8 years. I would be interested to find out how long
this bit frost has been in the making.....now considering they only bought niad
not too long ago and I read its based somehow on that, I would be sceptical how
well it could work or how mature it is. I just think all of this is based on
pure market share and pleasing the share holders.
But like I said I don't know. But I know I will be looking for another route
away from autocash for sure.
I hope most people follow another path to show these bully tactics are bull
shit and the customer is always right.
Daniel
On 14 Mar 2014 18:43, "Nuno Conceicao" <nunoalexconcei...@gmail.com> wrote:
Gee, I guess how many features wont be supported in Bifrost, or how long it
will take them to have it at the level ICE currently is...
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Ahmidou Lyazidi <ahmidou....@gmail.com>
wrote:
# mean mode on
They should introduce first the concept of weight map object in Maya as
currently it's all blackboxed in the different nodes,
and all with different SDK access...
# mean mode off
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2014-03-14 19:29 GMT+01:00 Nuno Conceicao <nunoalexconcei...@gmail.com>:
Something just came up on my head while doing blendshapes and using ICE
to help along.
Can you guys imagine how would ICE (or Biftrost) would work in Maya
without a proper modelling stack like XSI''s?
Even something as simple as using ICE to invert weight maps that are
hooked with shapes with an already enveloped character or fixing some poses
maybe...
