> > but to kill Softimage I would think that Maya would have to prove to be an > ice replacement within 2 years. How else do you justify it.
While what you're saying makes perfect sense, the Bifrost-based-ice-replacement does not exist and given Autodesk's track record, I think it's very likely to never exist. As for having it in two years, I think that might actually be literally impossible. And BTW, I'm leaving out the ecosystem that exists around ICE in soft (weight maps, groups, clusters, render tree integration, etc) that can make it so amazingly useful. Like Perry said, having this stuff involves changing the internals of Maya, and having that in two years seems even more impossible. Ultimately I don't see how people who transition to Maya can reasonably expect to have something like ICE ever again. On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 4:00 PM, phil harbath <phil.harb...@jamination.com>wrote: > perhaps I am terrible ignorant to think this and I have no knowledge of > what the upcoming 2015 version of Maya will contain, but to kill Softimage > I would think that Maya would have to prove to be an ice replacement within > 2 years. How else do you justify it. In my opinion Autodesk considers > Maya superior in everyway except ICE, so that would be the last step needed > to make Softimage totally redundant (again in the eyes of Autodesk). > > *From:* Jonah Friedman <jon...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Friday, March 14, 2014 3:57 PM > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: ICE in Maya is it really possible? > > To make matters worse for the Bifrost-replacing-ice idea- > > Bifrost, at the moment, is fluid simulation. Hell, Bifrost hasn't even > been proven to be good at fluid simulation yet, although I have no doubt it > eventually can be. But as for Bifrost-the-ICE-replacement, it's not even at > the level of vaporware. It hasn't been officially promised, just vaguely > hinted at. Once Bifrost actually succeeds at its current purpose- fluid > simulation- then we can talk about what it might take to rebuild ICE based > on it. > > I'm imagining one possible future a couple years down the line everyone is > happy that Maya finally solved their fluid simulation problem which is > apparently holding Maya back, and team Bifrost turns their attention to > replacing ICE. At this point, they're several years away from making > something as good as ICE and we can start having this conversation in > earnest. This is a best case scenario. > > There's another possible future where where it turns out people are using > Houdini and/or Realflow for their fluid simulation needs, and nobody cares > very much about having one directly in Maya, even if it's awesome, and > Bifrost is deemed yet another misguided direction Maya was taken in by AD. > And in this future, no matter how good the technical underpinnings of > bifrost are, and ICE is a distant memory and Bifrost is just more > abandonware in Maya. > > So yeah, I wouldn't hold my breath for an ice replacement from Autodesk. > > > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Daniel Sweeney > <dan...@northforge.co.uk>wrote: > >> I will be surprised if bit frost is anything compared to ice. But who >> knows. I will be honest I have never used Maya, and never have ventured >> into that territory from things I have heard. With all the thing I'm >> reading after the EOL was announce I just think out the box it far too >> technical/hardwork for my personal work flow. >> >> Let's be rational, ice is 5 some years old and was 2-3 years in the >> making before that. So that's 7-8 years. I would be interested to find out >> how long this bit frost has been in the making.....now considering they >> only bought niad not too long ago and I read its based somehow on that, I >> would be sceptical how well it could work or how mature it is. I just think >> all of this is based on pure market share and pleasing the share holders. >> >> But like I said I don't know. But I know I will be looking for another >> route away from autocash for sure. >> >> I hope most people follow another path to show these bully tactics are >> bull shit and the customer is always right. >> >> Daniel >> On 14 Mar 2014 18:43, "Nuno Conceicao" <nunoalexconcei...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Gee, I guess how many features wont be supported in Bifrost, or how long >>> it will take them to have it at the level ICE currently is... >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Ahmidou Lyazidi >>> <ahmidou....@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> # mean mode on >>>> They should introduce first the concept of weight map object in Maya as >>>> currently it's all blackboxed in the different nodes, >>>> and all with different SDK access... >>>> # mean mode off >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------- >>>> Ahmidou Lyazidi >>>> Director | TD | CG artist >>>> http://vimeo.com/ahmidou/videos >>>> http://www.cappuccino-films.com >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014-03-14 19:29 GMT+01:00 Nuno Conceicao <nunoalexconcei...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> >>>> Something just came up on my head while doing blendshapes and using >>>>> ICE to help along. >>>>> >>>>> Can you guys imagine how would ICE (or Biftrost) would work in Maya >>>>> without a proper modelling stack like XSI''s? >>>>> >>>>> Even something as simple as using ICE to invert weight maps that are >>>>> hooked with shapes with an already enveloped character or fixing some >>>>> poses >>>>> maybe... >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >
