NFPA 13 doesn't address potable water issues other than putting limits on
types of antifreeze solutions that can be used (and maybe some other minor
things I'm not remembering).  Protecting the public water supply is the
responsibility of the local water authority and they set the rules within
their jurisdiction.  The arrangement Jamie describes is acceptable per NFPA
13, but likely won't be acceptable to the local water authority.

I agree, it would defeat the purpose of the BFP.

Ed Kramer
Littleton, CO 

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> This arrangement would defeat the very purpose of a backflow device.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:23 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Fire line FDC and Inside controls
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> 
> I think 13 allows the FDC to be connected to the fire line, regardless
> of
> what devices are located inside the building.  Section 8.17.2.4.4 infers
> it
> is acceptable, but you'll still need to install a check valve and the
> control valve upstream of the FDC connection point (to satisfy
> 8.17.2.4.1
> and 8.16.1.1.4).
> 
> Ed Kramer
> Littleton, CO
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:49 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Fire line FDC and Inside controls
> >
> > Forum,
> > I have a situation where the fire department is requiring a post
> > indicator valve and free standing FDC outside the building.  We will
> > also need a backflow preventer installed inside in the sprinkler
> > control room.  Is it permissible to install the FDC so it ties into
> > the fire line prior to the backflow control valves, or would we need
> > to install a separate FDC line into the building? I know 8.16.1.1.1.3
> > does not allow a shutoff valve in the line, but it seems contradictory
> > with Figure A.8.16.1.1 2007 NFPA 13. Thanks,
> > Jamie Seidl
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