The maximum temp is a control setting the occupant can adjust. The emergency setting is typically higher. The one I looked at last summer was 250'F. Was it settable to a lower temp.? I don't know it just said max temp. 250 on it.
Yes 360 is high, but how many btu's to raise the ceiling temp to 360 from 194? How long to set head off? Seconds! Yes the occupant could receive burns in those seconds, but I doubt their blood could boil, unless you raised the temp 1 degree per minute or some such nonsense. 286'F heads discharge to a fire located 30 or more feet below them in a half million Sf building in a couple of minutes. A 360'F head in a 1000 CF room will react to a fire in seconds. We are fire protection, not slow electrical cooker protection. Life safety? Horn strobe when temp exceeds 113'F, which I believe is the skin temp at which everyone feels pain. Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Forest Wilson Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: 13D Sauna/Steam Rooms From a website: maximum allowable sauna temperature in Canada and the United States is 194°F (90°C). These are C.S.A. and U.L. standards set back in 1982. At that time, it was also mandated that there must be a high-temperature limit switch within the sauna heater. ---- Now, at 360*, in a 13D system, what is the priority: life or property preservation? At 360* in a very small room the person's blood must be close to boiling. Since the cut-off switch is a UL requirement, perhaps they have a paper on sauna's with fire sprinklers. Forest Wilson Project Manager Cherokee Fire Protection Co. 3195 Dayton Xenia Rd Ste 900 Dayton OH 45434 ph: 937-376-2333 fx: 614-455-4324 cell: 937-307-5647 . Visit our blog: www.cherokee-fire.blogspot.com NOTICE: The information contained in this email is intended to be solely for the use of the named individual or entity to which it is directed and may contain information that is privileged or otherwise confidential. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, anyone other than the named addressee (or a person authorized to deliver it to the named addressee). It should not be copied or forwarded to any unauthorized persons. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the error by reply email or by calling Cherokee Fire Protection Co. at 888-347-3079 toll free. -----Original Message----- From: Thom Mc Mahon <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Sat, Sep 12, 2009 11:57 am Subject: RE: 13D Sauna/Steam Rooms This issue came up years ago while working with Jim Bell of Marriott Corp on ne of their assisted living facilities a 13R that I have always used the ame logic since then, and applied it to 13D as well. (1992) At that time arriott had about 2 fires per year in sauna's, typically caused by bottles f body oil or towels placed over the heater. Jim's requirement was to prinkler all sauna's using 300+ degree heads as the emergency cut out for auna controls is typically set in the high 200'F range. We currently nstall 360'F TYCO TY-B either 2.8K or 5.6K depending upon room size. (Yes I now they are STD response, but as we discussed at the time, in a 8x10 room, ny protection is better than none, and Std response Vs. QR will be a matter f only a second or two, with the ambient already over 100'F.) 286'F heads re ok if your emergency cut off is set lower than 236'F, which I've never ound one that low. That's what we do and AHJ's only need to hear this logic nce to accept it. Steam rooms, same source at Marriott, "What can burn? Tile walls, floors and eiling, in a basic "Mist" system." Now Marriott used steel studs verywhere, so if your steam room is framed with wood and you have the steam enerator in the typical under bench location, what we've done is put a head n that space, again high temp. If the people or wet towels "s pontaneously ombust" in a steam room not much a sprinkler can do to save them. I'd like to hear what others are thinking. 200'F heads will go off way too ften, 286'F may never go off if the emergency cut out is never needed, but know that if a 360'F head goes off, it's either a fire or mechanical amage. Thom McMahon, SET iretech, Inc. 560 Copper Ridge Dr .O. Box 882136 teamboat Springs, CO 80488 el: 970-879-7952 ax: 970-879-7926 ----Original Message----- rom: [email protected] mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Knight ent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:33 PM o: [email protected] ubject: 13D Sauna/Steam Rooms I am working on a 13D that has a sauna and steam room. What temp sprinklers hould I use, and is it permissible to use QR instead of Residential? I'm hinking that I will need high temp heads and residentials only go up to 75F, at least the ones that I'm familiar with. 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