Forest. Re-read your post. The minimum is 275 (or higher). Nothing you sent says 286 maximum.
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Forest Wilson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ok, this is from Findlandia Suana literature/ installation manual: > (http://products.construction.com/Manufacturer/Finlandia-Sauna-Products-Inc-NST1770/products/Floor-Model-Electric-Sauna-Heaters-NST9534-P) > > Note: When ordering, specify the elevation above sea level at your location. > If a fire sprinkler is required, the head should be set at 275°F (or higher) > and should not be located over the Sauna heater. > > > > ----- > > There is also some guidance I found from Nordic Residential Fire Sprinkler > Group: http://www.standard.no/Global/PDF/Standarder%20p%C3%A5%20h%C3%B8ring/294717.pdf > > > > Their manual allows standard response in residential (which we don't). > > But is also states that "Sprinklers installed in saunas shall have a temp > rating close to but no lower than 30* C above the highest anticipated ambient > temp." > > > > The earlier post about maximum sauna temp being 195* is from UL 875 > (according to the sauna website). I don't have a UL subscription so I can't > verify that. > > But, if maximum allowable temp is 195 F (90.55 C) , plus 30* C = 120.55* C > (249* F). > > So, using Eurpopean guideline the sprinkler would be 286* F maximum. > > > > > > > > > > Forest Wilson > > Project Manager > Cherokee Fire Protection Co. > 3195 Dayton Xenia Rd Ste 900 > Dayton OH 45434 > > ph: 937-376-2333 > fx: 614-455-4324 > cell: 937-307-5647 > > > . > > > > Visit our blog: www.cherokee-fire.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > NOTICE: The information contained in this email is intended to be solely for > the use of the named individual or entity to which it is directed and may > contain i > nformation that is privileged or otherwise confidential. It is not intended > for transmission to, or receipt by, anyone other than the named addressee (or > a person authorized to deliver it to the named addressee). It should not be > copied or forwarded to any unauthorized persons. If you have received this > electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system > without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the error by reply > email or by calling Cherokee Fire Protection Co. at 888-347-3079 toll free. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Greenman <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, Sep 12, 2009 12:56 pm > Subject: Re: 13D Sauna/Steam Rooms > > > > Sorry. I kept writing 286 but meant 360. I'm either getting old or am > lready there. I just can't remember which. > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Thom McMahon <[email protected]> > wrote: > The maximum temp is a control setting the occupant can adjust. The emergency > etting is typically higher. The one I looked at last summer was 250'F. Was it > ettable to a lower temp.? I don't know it just said max temp. 250 on it. > > Yes 360 is high, but how many btu's to raise the ceiling temp to 360 from > 194? > ow long to set head off? Seconds! Yes the occupant could receive burns in > those > econds, but I doubt their blood could boil, unless you raised the temp 1 > degree > er minute or some such nonsense. > > 286'F heads discharge to a fire located 30 or more feet below them in a half > illion Sf bu > ilding in a couple of minutes. A 360'F head in a 1000 CF room will > eact to a fire in seconds. > > We are fire protection, not slow electrical cooker protection. Life safety? > orn strobe when temp exceeds 113'F, which I believe is the skin temp at which > veryone feels pain. > > Thom McMahon, SET > Firetech, Inc. > 2560 Copper Ridge Dr > P.O. Box 882136 > Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 > Tel: 970-879-7952 > Fax: 970-879-7926 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > n Behalf Of Forest Wilson > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:22 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: 13D Sauna/Steam Rooms > > > From a website: > > maximum allowable sauna temperature in Canada and the United States is 194°F > 90°C). These are C.S.A. and U.L. standards set back in 1982. At that time, it > as also mandated that there must be a high-temperature limit switch within the > auna heater. > > ---- > > Now, at 360*, in a 13D system, what is the priority: life or property > reservation? > > At 360* in a very small room the person's blood must be close to boiling. > ince the cut-off switch is a UL requirement, perhaps they have a paper on > auna's with fire sprinklers. > > > > Forest Wilson > > Project Manager > Cherokee Fire Protection Co. > 3195 Dayton Xenia Rd Ste 900 > Dayton OH 45434 > > ph: 937-376-2333 > fx: 614-455-4324 > cell: 937-307-5647 > > > . > > > > Visit our blog: www.cherokee-fire.blogspot.com > > > > > =0 > D > > NOTICE: The information contained in this email is intended to be solely for > he use of the named individual or entity to which it is directed and may > ontain information that is privileged or otherwise confidential. It is not > ntended for transmission to, or receipt by, anyone other than the named > ddressee (or a person authorized to deliver it to the named addressee). It > hould not be copied or forwarded to any unauthorized persons. If you have > eceived this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your > ystem without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the error by > eply email or by calling Cherokee Fire Protection Co. at 888-347-3079 toll > ree. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thom Mc > Mahon <[email protected]> > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Sent: Sat, Sep 12, 2009 11:57 am > Subject: RE: 13D Sauna/Steam Rooms > > > > This issue came up years ago while working with Jim Bell of Marriott Corp on > e of their assisted living facilities a 13R that I have always used the ame > ogic since then, and applied it to 13D as well. (1992) At that time arriott > had > bout 2 fires per year in sauna's, typically caused by bottles f body oil or > owels placed over the heater. Jim's requirement was to prinkler all sauna's > sing 300+ degree heads as the emergency cut out for auna controls is typically > et in the high 200'F range. We currently nstall 360'F TYCO TY-B either 2.8K or > .6K depending upon room size. (Yes=2 > 0I now they are STD response, but as we > iscussed at the time, in a 8x10 room, ny protection is better than none, and > td response Vs. QR will be a matter f only a second or two, with the ambient > lready over 100'F.) 286'F heads re ok if your emergency cut off is set lower > han 236'F, which I've never ound one that low. That's what we do and AHJ's > only > eed to hear this logic nce to accept it. > Steam rooms, same source at Marriott, "What can burn? Tile walls, floors and > iling, in a basic "Mist" system." Now Marriott used steel studs verywhere, so > f your steam room is framed with wood and you have the steam enerator in the > ypical under bench location, what we've done is put a head n that space, again > igh temp. If the people or wet towels "s pontaneously ombust" in a steam room > ot much a sprinkler can do to save them. > I'd like to hear what others are thinking. 200'F heads will go off way too > ten, 286'F may never go off if the emergency cut out is never needed, but > know > hat if a 360'F head goes off, it's either a fire or mechanical amage. > > Thom McMahon, SET > iretech, Inc. > 560 Copper Ridge Dr > .O. Box 882136 > teamboat Springs, CO 80488 > el: 970-879-7952 > ax: 970-879-7926 > > ----Original Message----- > rom: [email protected] > mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Knight > ent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:33 PM > o: [email protected] > ubject: 13D Sauna/Steam Rooms > I am working o > n a 13D that has a sauna and steam room. What temp sprinklers > hould I use, and is it permissible to use QR instead of Residential? I'm > hinking that I will need high temp heads and residentials only go up to 75F, > t least the ones that I'm familiar with. > Thanks, > Bob Knight, CET > 660 Hill Rd > elba, Idaho 83641 > 208) 318-3057 > 208) 495-2057 fax > �[email protected] > ww.firebyknight.com > -------------- next part -------------- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > hecked by AVG - www.avg.com > ersion: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.91/2363 - Release Date: 09/11/09 > :15:00 _______________________________________________ > prinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > ttp://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To > nsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > P > ut the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > prinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > ttp://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To > nsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:Sprink > [email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > -- > on Greenman > nstructor > ire Protection Engineering > ates Technical College > acoma, WA > Member: > FPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA AFAA, WSAFM > ______________________________________________ > prinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > ttp://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Bates Technical College Tacoma, WA Member: SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA AFAA, WSAFM _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
