Forest. Re-read your post. The minimum is 275 (or higher). Nothing you
sent says 286 maximum.

On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Forest Wilson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Ok, this is from Findlandia Suana literature/ installation manual: 
> (http://products.construction.com/Manufacturer/Finlandia-Sauna-Products-Inc-NST1770/products/Floor-Model-Electric-Sauna-Heaters-NST9534-P)
>
> Note: When ordering, specify the elevation above sea level at your location. 
> If a fire sprinkler is required, the head should be set at 275°F (or higher) 
> and should not be located over the Sauna heater.
>
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> There is also some guidance I found from Nordic Residential Fire Sprinkler 
> Group: http://www.standard.no/Global/PDF/Standarder%20p%C3%A5%20h%C3%B8ring/294717.pdf
>
>
>
> Their manual allows standard response in residential (which we don't).
>
> But is also states that "Sprinklers installed in saunas shall have a temp 
> rating close to but no lower than 30* C above the highest anticipated ambient 
> temp."
>
>
>
> The earlier post about maximum sauna temp being 195* is from UL 875 
> (according to the sauna website). I don't have a UL subscription so I can't 
> verify that.
>
> But, if maximum allowable temp is 195 F (90.55 C) , plus 30* C = 120.55* C 
> (249* F).
>
> So, using Eurpopean guideline the sprinkler would be 286* F maximum.
>
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> Forest Wilson
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Greenman <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sat, Sep 12, 2009 12:56 pm
> Subject: Re: 13D Sauna/Steam Rooms
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>
> Sorry. I kept writing 286 but meant 360. I'm either getting old or am
> lready there. I just can't remember which.
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Thom McMahon <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>  The maximum temp is a control setting the occupant can adjust. The emergency
> etting is typically higher. The one I looked at last summer was 250'F. Was it
> ettable to a lower temp.? I don't know it just said max temp. 250 on it.
>
>  Yes 360 is high, but how many btu's to raise the ceiling temp to 360 from 
> 194?
> ow long to set head off? Seconds! Yes the occupant could receive burns in 
> those
> econds, but I doubt their blood could boil, unless you raised the temp 1 
> degree
> er minute or some such nonsense.
>
>  286'F heads discharge to a fire located 30 or more feet below them in a half
> illion Sf bu
> ilding in a couple of minutes. A 360'F head in a 1000 CF room will
> eact to a fire in seconds.
>
>  We are fire protection, not slow electrical cooker protection. Life safety?
> orn strobe when temp exceeds 113'F, which I believe is the skin temp at which
> veryone feels pain.
>
>  Thom McMahon, SET
>  Firetech, Inc.
>  2560 Copper Ridge Dr
>  P.O. Box 882136
>  Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
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>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]]
> n Behalf Of Forest Wilson
>  Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:22 AM
>  To: [email protected]
>  Subject: Re: 13D Sauna/Steam Rooms
>
>
>  From a website:
>
>   maximum allowable sauna temperature in Canada and the United States is 194°F
> 90°C). These are C.S.A. and U.L. standards set back in 1982. At that time, it
> as also mandated that there must be a high-temperature limit switch within the
> auna heater.
>
>  ----
>
>  Now, at 360*, in a 13D system, what is the priority: life or property
> reservation?
>
>  At 360* in a very small room the person's blood must be close to boiling.
> ince the cut-off switch is a UL requirement, perhaps they have a paper on
> auna's with fire sprinklers.
>
>
>
>  Forest Wilson
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>  Project Manager
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>  3195 Dayton Xenia Rd Ste 900
>  Dayton OH 45434
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>  From: Thom Mc
>  Mahon <[email protected]>
>  To: [email protected]; [email protected]
>  Sent: Sat, Sep 12, 2009 11:57 am
>  Subject: RE: 13D Sauna/Steam Rooms
>
>
>
>  This issue came up years ago while working with Jim Bell of Marriott Corp on
> e of their assisted living facilities a 13R that I have always used the ame
> ogic since then, and applied it to 13D as well. (1992) At that time arriott 
> had
> bout 2 fires per year in sauna's, typically caused by bottles f body oil or
> owels placed over the heater. Jim's requirement was to prinkler all sauna's
> sing 300+ degree heads as the emergency cut out for auna controls is typically
> et in the high 200'F range. We currently nstall 360'F TYCO TY-B either 2.8K or
> .6K depending upon room size. (Yes=2
> 0I now they are STD response, but as we
> iscussed at the time, in a 8x10 room, ny protection is better than none, and
> td response Vs. QR will be a matter f only a second or two, with the ambient
> lready over 100'F.) 286'F heads re ok if your emergency cut off is set lower
> han 236'F, which I've never ound one that low. That's what we do and AHJ's 
> only
> eed to hear this logic nce to accept it.
>  Steam rooms, same source at Marriott, "What can burn? Tile walls, floors and
> iling, in a basic "Mist" system." Now Marriott used steel studs verywhere, so
> f your steam room is framed with wood and you have the steam enerator in the
> ypical under bench location, what we've done is put a head n that space, again
> igh temp. If the people or wet towels "s pontaneously ombust" in a steam room
> ot much a sprinkler can do to save them.
>  I'd like to hear what others are thinking. 200'F heads will go off way too
> ten, 286'F may never go off if the emergency cut out is never needed, but  
> know
> hat if a 360'F head goes off, it's either a fire or mechanical amage.
>
>  Thom McMahon, SET
>  iretech, Inc.
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>  rom: [email protected]
>  mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Knight
>  ent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:33 PM
>  o: [email protected]
>  ubject: 13D Sauna/Steam Rooms
>  I am working o
> n a 13D that has a sauna and steam room.  What temp sprinklers
>  hould I use, and is it permissible to use QR instead of Residential?   I'm
>  hinking that I will need high temp heads and residentials only go up to 75F,
> t least the ones that I'm familiar with.
>  Thanks,
>  Bob Knight, CET
>  660 Hill Rd
>  elba, Idaho 83641
>  208) 318-3057
>  208) 495-2057 fax
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