Sorry. I kept writing 286 but meant 360. I'm either getting old or am already there. I just can't remember which.
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Thom McMahon <[email protected]> wrote: > The maximum temp is a control setting the occupant can adjust. The emergency > setting is typically higher. The one I looked at last summer was 250'F. Was > it settable to a lower temp.? I don't know it just said max temp. 250 on it. > > Yes 360 is high, but how many btu's to raise the ceiling temp to 360 from > 194? How long to set head off? Seconds! Yes the occupant could receive burns > in those seconds, but I doubt their blood could boil, unless you raised the > temp 1 degree per minute or some such nonsense. > > 286'F heads discharge to a fire located 30 or more feet below them in a half > million Sf building in a couple of minutes. A 360'F head in a 1000 CF room > will react to a fire in seconds. > > We are fire protection, not slow electrical cooker protection. Life safety? > Horn strobe when temp exceeds 113'F, which I believe is the skin temp at > which everyone feels pain. > > Thom McMahon, SET > Firetech, Inc. > 2560 Copper Ridge Dr > P.O. Box 882136 > Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 > Tel: 970-879-7952 > Fax: 970-879-7926 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Forest Wilson > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:22 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: 13D Sauna/Steam Rooms > > > From a website: > > maximum allowable sauna temperature in Canada and the United States is 194°F > (90°C). These are C.S.A. and U.L. standards set back in 1982. At that time, > it was also mandated that there must be a high-temperature limit switch > within the sauna heater. > > ---- > > Now, at 360*, in a 13D system, what is the priority: life or property > preservation? > > At 360* in a very small room the person's blood must be close to boiling. > Since the cut-off switch is a UL requirement, perhaps they have a paper on > sauna's with fire sprinklers. > > > > Forest Wilson > > Project Manager > Cherokee Fire Protection Co. > 3195 Dayton Xenia Rd Ste 900 > Dayton OH 45434 > > ph: 937-376-2333 > fx: 614-455-4324 > cell: 937-307-5647 > > > . > > > > Visit our blog: www.cherokee-fire.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > NOTICE: The information contained in this email is intended to be solely for > the use of the named individual or entity to which it is directed and may > contain information that is privileged or otherwise confidential. It is not > intended for transmission to, or receipt by, anyone other than the named > addressee (or a person authorized to deliver it to the named addressee). It > should not be copied or forwarded to any unauthorized persons. If you have > received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from > your system without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the > error by reply email or by calling Cherokee Fire Protection Co. at > 888-347-3079 toll free. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thom Mc > Mahon <[email protected]> > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Sent: Sat, Sep 12, 2009 11:57 am > Subject: RE: 13D Sauna/Steam Rooms > > > > This issue came up years ago while working with Jim Bell of Marriott Corp on > ne of their assisted living facilities a 13R that I have always used the ame > logic since then, and applied it to 13D as well. (1992) At that time arriott > had about 2 fires per year in sauna's, typically caused by bottles f body oil > or towels placed over the heater. Jim's requirement was to prinkler all > sauna's using 300+ degree heads as the emergency cut out for auna controls is > typically set in the high 200'F range. We currently nstall 360'F TYCO TY-B > either 2.8K or 5.6K depending upon room size. (Yes I now they are STD > response, but as we discussed at the time, in a 8x10 room, ny protection is > better than none, and Std response Vs. QR will be a matter f only a second or > two, with the ambient already over 100'F.) 286'F heads re ok if your > emergency cut off is set lower than 236'F, which I've never ound one that > low. That's what we do and AHJ's only need to hear this logic nce to accept > it. > Steam rooms, same source at Marriott, "What can burn? Tile walls, floors and > eiling, in a basic "Mist" system." Now Marriott used steel studs verywhere, > so if your steam room is framed with wood and you have the steam enerator in > the typical under bench location, what we've done is put a head n that space, > again high temp. If the people or wet towels "s pontaneously ombust" in a > steam room not much a sprinkler can do to save them. > I'd like to hear what others are thinking. 200'F heads will go off way too > ften, 286'F may never go off if the emergency cut out is never needed, but > know that if a 360'F head goes off, it's either a fire or mechanical amage. > > Thom McMahon, SET > iretech, Inc. > 560 Copper Ridge Dr > .O. Box 882136 > teamboat Springs, CO 80488 > el: 970-879-7952 > ax: 970-879-7926 > > ----Original Message----- > rom: [email protected] > mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Knight > ent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:33 PM > o: [email protected] > ubject: 13D Sauna/Steam Rooms > I am working on a 13D that has a sauna and steam room. What temp sprinklers > hould I use, and is it permissible to use QR instead of Residential? I'm > hinking that I will need high temp heads and residentials only go up to 75F, > at least the ones that I'm familiar with. > Thanks, > Bob Knight, CET > 660 Hill Rd > elba, Idaho 83641 > 208) 318-3057 > 208) 495-2057 fax > [email protected] > ww.firebyknight.com > -------------- next part -------------- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > hecked by AVG - www.avg.com > ersion: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.91/2363 - Release Date: 09/11/09 > 9:15:00 _______________________________________________ > prinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > ttp://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To > Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > P > ut the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > prinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > ttp://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To > Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Bates Technical College Tacoma, WA Member: SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA AFAA, WSAFM _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
