What has this website become? (With apologies to Jack Leadbetter) Steve Leyton Protection Design & Consulting San Diego, CA
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 8:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Salary Well, it's lunchtime here and I'm having BIM, BIM, BIM, BIM, BIM, Baked Beans, BIM, BIM and BIM. At 11:45 AM 5/24/2010, you wrote: >BIM is the most overused acronym in the design field at this moment, >IMHO. Building Information Modeling, in full working theory, requires >that there be engineering attributes to the objects shown. BIM is not >NavisWorks - Navis is a 3D emulation viewer that projects 2D AutoCad and >other drawing files as 3D to allow clash detection and a rotatable image >of the input files. My experience with it has been mixed; we often >find that Navis-detected clashes don't exist, but that Navis misses >clashes that are found the hard way in the field. Revit offers a full >parametric 3D environment, but there's no content out there except for >empty skins, that show images of objects such as valves and fittings, >but which still don't contain true BIM content. In theory, BIM >software such as Revit should give us a platform in which we can calc' >the system, list the materials, coordinate our piping with work of all >other trades, maintain an archive of part numbers for service and >repair, etc., etc. But that depth of content is likely years away so >for now, BIM is just a short-hand way of saying "Clash detection >effected by 3D software that may or may not result in accurate >coordination by trades since it's the epitome of the GIGO model." > >As for what value that may or may not add to the designer's job >description I don't know, but to the designer who says that they don't >field survey to check their work I say that we used to overlay our >vellums with the sheet metal drawings on a light table or against a >large sunny window. We'd mark everything up in pencil as required and >then go back to the office and revise appropriately. It took less >time, involved direct communication between stakeholders, didn't require >a $9,000 software package that runs on a $4,000 computer, nor the >involvement of a $175 per hour "consultant" to misread the results of >the computer model. Unfortunately for my firm, 90% of our work is for >architectural clients who are romanced by BIM, so we're stuck in the >vortex. Terri likes to sing what we call the BIM Song - close your >eyes and listen for the melody of Monty Python's famous SPAM to come >into your head ... BIM, BIM, BIM, BIM, BIM, BIM, BIM, wonderful >BIMMMMMMMMMMMMMM! > >Steve Leyton >Protection Design & Consulting >San Diego, CA > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vince >Sabolik >Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 8:18 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: Salary > > > > > >Real BIM modeling goes WAAAAAY beyond just a 3D rendition of a >building. > > >Please elaborate on this. I think that I know what you're talking about. >How would a Detail Level 5 effect a sprinkler plan? > > > >Vince Sabolik >Christi Fire Protection, Inc. >11351 Pearl Road >Strongsville, Ohio 44136 > >T 440 572-7730 F 440 572-7719 Email: ><mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email >to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature database 5141 (20100524) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature database 5141 (20100524) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) Todd G. 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