I believe it is more than OH2 - there is another chain that is building a lot of stores that are not auto parts per se but the they sell a lot farm machinery parts and their requirement for a similar situation is .22/2,000 with high temp heads.
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Cahill, Christopher <[email protected]>wrote: > Same reason a Home Depot is not OH2, I don't think it meets the definition > in '10-5.3.2 > > Agree, design to the stated intent. > > Actually 6' of group A plastics in the IFC calls for HPS compliance (got > smoke control?). I recall the guy making 5 gallon buckets was not happy > because the old UFC I think was 5' and he couldn't maintain that low. > > I can't imagine where I would go OH2. But if you are convinced it's Class > IV and it complies with shelf definition then table '10-13.2.1 does appear > to support OH2. Looks to me like EH2 from table '10-13.2.1 for exposed, > shelf to 12'. '07 - 20.3 I'd accept being, I think, a little on the high > side but there are specific shelving requirements that the store probably > doesn't meet. But 0.6 is more than 0.4 so I wouldn't probably care about > the shelves. > > Chris Cahill, PE* > Senior Fire Protection Engineer, Aviation & Facilities Group > Burns & McDonnell > 8201 Norman Center Drive > Bloomington, MN 55437 > Phone: 952.656.3652 > Fax: 952.229.2923 > [email protected] > www.burnsmcd.com > > Proud to be one of FORTUNE's 100 Best Companies to Work For > *Registered in: MN > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt Grise > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:27 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: solid shelves in auto parts stores > > Is there any reason why this would not meet the letter of the code for OH2 > protection of a mercantile application? > > If questions are going to be raised about if they will stack over 12' on > 12' racks, one might also wonder if they will change the racks out for > taller racks, etc. Wouldn't the design have to be based on the stated > intent for the tenant? > > I agree that this is probably on the high side of what OH2 was intended > for. It could also be protected by the retail storage criteria (NFPA 13 > 2007 20.3). From a sign-off responsibility standpoint, it seems like it > could be approved. If I was their insurance carrier, I might be more > concerned. > > Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP, NICET II > Sales Engineer > Alliance Fire Protection > 130 w 9th Ave. > North Kansas City, MO 64116 > > *Licensed in KS & MO > > 913.888.0647 ph > 913.888.0618 f > 913.927.0222 cell > www. AFPsprink.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Brooks > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: solid shelves in auto parts stores > > Anytime the word storage appears there's a need for much more extensive > analysis of all of the likely materials and their configuration. For > example the 2009 International Fire Code deals with retail storage of > aerosols in Section 2806 with <8 ft and >8 ft categories. Flammable and > combustible liquids are covered in IFC 3404.4. Then there are the Group A > plastics determined by the product itself or the packing material covered > in IFC Chapter 23. Note the definition of high-piled high-hazard > commodities could start at >6 ft. > > Ceiling height was not noted. This could dictate maximum storage height. > > Without looking at any further I'd say the chance of OH2 would be slim. > > Looks like NFPA 13 is applied for the shelf storage question per IFC > Section 2307. > > Maybe this major chain store already has corporate guidelines. > > Bill Brooks > > William N. Brooks, P.E. > Brooks Fire Protection Engineering Inc. > 372 Wilett Drive > Severna Park, MD 21146-1904 > 410-544-3620 > 410-544-3032 FAX > 412-400-6528 Cell > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Art Tiroly > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:30 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: solid shelves in auto parts stores > > Considering the amount of rubber and plastic parts, oil, solvents and > aerosol sprays and paint, I think it should be higher. I think in spots it > is more than a class 4 commodity. > > > Arthur Tiroly > ATCO Fire Protection Design > Tiroly and Associates > 24400 Highland Rd rm 25, CLE 44143 > 216-621-8899 > 216-570-7030 Cell > WWW.ATCOfirepro.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg > McGahan > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:14 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: solid shelves in auto parts stores > > Hello, > > 1) There is a PE involved > 2) This is not my job, but I am trying to be a friend to the AHJ' > 3) I can't readily put my hands on this due to other issues > > > A local AHJ has called me to inquire about the requirement for protecting > a major chain Auto Parts Store. The PE has stated OH2 throughout the store. > AHJ is asking questions because there are 12' tall racks with a solid top > making him think they will store over 12'. > > Questions, > > Are solid shelves allowed in racks aver 30" deep in this scenario without > protection in the racks? > > Is OH@ appropriate for these "typical" Auto Parts Stores with the storage > as it is? > > Thanks for your help if you have time, if not please ignore and have a > great day! > > > > > -- > Greg McGahan > Living Water Fire Protection, LLC <http://www.livingwaterfp.com> 1160 > McKenzie Road Cantonment, FL 32533 850-937-1850 fax 850-937-1852 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > < > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attachment > s/20120816/ec9499ea/attachment.html> > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5203 - Release Date: 08/15/12 > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > -- Greg McGahan Living Water Fire Protection, LLC <http://www.livingwaterfp.com> 1160 McKenzie Road Cantonment, FL 32533 850-937-1850 fax 850-937-1852 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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