Matt,

It is not just casual conjecture when you see retail chain that puts a
SHELF at 12'-0 that they will put stuff on it. That is the AHJ's positions
because they put a solid shelf or rack at the top instead of leaving it
open.

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Matt Grise <[email protected]> wrote:

> Is there any reason why this would not meet the letter of the code for OH2
> protection of a mercantile application?
>
> If questions are going to be raised about if they will stack over 12' on
> 12' racks, one might also wonder if they will change the racks out for
> taller racks, etc. Wouldn't the design have to be based on the stated
> intent for the tenant?
>
> I agree that this is probably on the high side of what OH2 was intended
> for. It could also be protected by the retail storage criteria (NFPA 13
> 2007 20.3). From a sign-off responsibility standpoint, it seems like it
> could be approved. If I was their insurance carrier, I might be more
> concerned.
>
> Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP, NICET II
> Sales Engineer
> Alliance Fire Protection
> 130 w 9th Ave.
> North Kansas City, MO 64116
>
> *Licensed in KS & MO
>
> 913.888.0647 ph
> 913.888.0618 f
> 913.927.0222 cell
> www. AFPsprink.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Brooks
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:03 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: solid shelves in auto parts stores
>
> Anytime the word storage appears there's a need for much more extensive
> analysis of all of the likely materials and their configuration. For
> example
> the 2009 International Fire Code deals with retail storage of aerosols in
> Section 2806 with <8 ft and >8 ft categories.  Flammable and combustible
> liquids are covered in IFC 3404.4. Then there are the Group A plastics
> determined by the product itself or the packing material covered in IFC
> Chapter 23.  Note the definition of high-piled high-hazard commodities
> could
> start at >6 ft.
>
> Ceiling height was not noted.  This could dictate maximum storage height.
>
> Without looking at any further I'd say the chance of OH2 would be slim.
>
> Looks like NFPA 13 is applied for the shelf storage question per IFC
> Section
> 2307.
>
> Maybe this major chain store already has corporate guidelines.
>
> Bill Brooks
>
> William N. Brooks, P.E.
> Brooks Fire Protection Engineering Inc.
> 372 Wilett Drive
> Severna Park, MD 21146-1904
> 410-544-3620
> 410-544-3032 FAX
> 412-400-6528 Cell
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Art Tiroly
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:30 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: solid shelves in auto parts stores
>
> Considering the amount of rubber and plastic parts, oil, solvents and
> aerosol sprays and paint, I think it should be higher. I think in spots it
> is more than a class 4 commodity.
>
>
> Arthur Tiroly
> ATCO Fire Protection Design
> Tiroly and Associates
> 24400 Highland Rd rm 25, CLE 44143
> 216-621-8899
> 216-570-7030 Cell
> WWW.ATCOfirepro.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg
> McGahan
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:14 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: solid shelves in auto parts stores
>
> Hello,
>
> 1) There is a PE involved
> 2) This is not my job, but I am trying to be a friend to the AHJ'
> 3) I can't readily put my hands on this due to other issues
>
>
> A local AHJ has called me to inquire about the requirement for protecting a
> major chain Auto Parts Store. The PE has stated OH2 throughout the store.
> AHJ is asking questions because there are 12' tall racks with a solid top
> making him think they will store over 12'.
>
> Questions,
>
> Are solid shelves allowed in racks aver 30" deep in this scenario without
> protection in the racks?
>
> Is OH@ appropriate for these "typical" Auto Parts Stores with the storage
> as
> it is?
>
> Thanks for your help if you have time, if not please ignore and have a
> great
> day!
>
>
>
>
> --
> Greg McGahan
> Living Water Fire Protection, LLC <http://www.livingwaterfp.com> 1160
> McKenzie Road Cantonment, FL 32533 850-937-1850 fax 850-937-1852
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