Given the product mix typically found in an auto parts store I would be hesitant to call it Class I-IV, and would start at plastics and look at the schemes in section 20.3. Can't beat full scale fire tests.
Dave -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 16:16 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: solid shelves in auto parts stores Here is the latest I found - these are not SHELVES - they are racks by definition and then using table 13.2.1 Class 1-4 up to 12' = EH1.... the racks are 48" wide with no dividers int he middle, so I think they screwed up on this one. Greg On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Ziller, Dave <[email protected]>wrote: > Check out 13-2007 or 2010 section 20.3 to see if any of the special retail > protection schemes might fit. > > Dave Ziller, P.E. > Senior Engineer - FMO Special Projects > Seattle Fire Department > Ph 206 386 9865 > Fax 206 615 1068 > [email protected] > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Daniel Wilder > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 15:57 > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: solid shelves in auto parts stores > > The NAPA configuration that I had the pleasure or taking on was 24" or 30" > deep back to back shelves up to 16'(storage on the top shelf put me up to > 18' total height) with an intermediate open grate mezzanine (essentially > two 8' storage racks on top of each other) and no flue space. Aisles about > 30" wide (5 or 6 aisles) and 50 or so feet deep with a steep stair in the > back corner. Pre-engineered rack/mezzanine structure. > > Besides the obvious configuration issues, the shelving was setup so that > any shelf could line up with the adjacent shelf giving you a 4'-5' wide by > a minimum 8' long shelf. > > Final design (PE sealed, AHJ pre-approved, Owner and Tenant Insurance > companies in the loop) included making the tenant install treated plywood > over the open metal grating (separating the two storage heights, placing > sprinkler lines down each aisle at a staggared 6-7' spacing (they advised > us that the top shelf of the lower tier may not have product on it creating > a cold solder issue). Lower design was to misc back-to-back shelf storage > to 8', EH1 or 2 (I can't remember). Overhead system was designed with the > higher storage height to 12' all with 286 heads. This was a strip mall > (billards place and a pool store in the same building), luckily the suite > was next to the riser room and allowed us to upsize only a little bit of > main and all the BL. We did remove and reinstall the overhead BL for the > tighter spacing and tied it all back into the existing OH2 grid at the > common wall. > > A lot of extra work for such a small tenant space... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:27 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: solid shelves in auto parts stores > > Nobody here with experience on the AHJ or Engineering side of the following > stores: > > O-reilly's > Auto Zone > Advanced Auto Parts > > These are three very common retail outlets with similar arrangements. > > Greg > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Dale Wingard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Greg, > > > > I would take a look at Chapter 13 (10ed) for miscellaneous storage. > > There are a lot of plastic parts for vehicles. > > > > The tables there may take you as high as EH2. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:14 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: solid shelves in auto parts stores > > > > Hello, > > > > 1) There is a PE involved > > 2) This is not my job, but I am trying to be a friend to the AHJ' > > 3) I can't readily put my hands on this due to other issues > > > > > > A local AHJ has called me to inquire about the requirement for > > protecting a major chain Auto Parts Store. The PE has stated OH2 > throughout the store. > > AHJ is asking questions because there are 12' tall racks with a solid > > top making him think they will store over 12'. > > > > Questions, > > > > Are solid shelves allowed in racks aver 30" deep in this scenario > > without protection in the racks? > > > > Is OH@ appropriate for these "typical" Auto Parts Stores with the > > storage as it is? > > > > Thanks for your help if you have time, if not please ignore and have a > > great day! > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Greg McGahan > > Living Water Fire Protection, LLC <http://www.livingwaterfp.com> > > 1160 McKenzie Road > > Cantonment, FL 32533 > > 850-937-1850 > > fax 850-937-1852 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > > scrubbed... > > URL: < > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attac > > hments/20120816/ec9499ea/attachment.html > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > > > -- > Greg McGahan > Living Water Fire Protection, LLC <http://www.livingwaterfp.com> > 1160 McKenzie Road > Cantonment, FL 32533 > 850-937-1850 > fax 850-937-1852 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attachments/20120816/ba3d21c5/attachment.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > -- Greg McGahan Living Water Fire Protection, LLC <http://www.livingwaterfp.com> 1160 McKenzie Road Cantonment, FL 32533 850-937-1850 fax 850-937-1852 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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