Given the product mix typically found in an auto parts store I would be 
hesitant to call it Class I-IV, and would start at plastics and look at the 
schemes in section 20.3.  Can't beat full scale fire tests.

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 16:16
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: solid shelves in auto parts stores

Here is the latest I found - these are not SHELVES - they are racks by
definition and then using table 13.2.1 Class 1-4 up to 12' = EH1....

the racks are 48" wide with no dividers int he middle, so I think they
screwed up on this one.
Greg

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Ziller, Dave <[email protected]>wrote:

> Check out 13-2007 or 2010 section 20.3 to see if any of the special retail
> protection schemes might fit.
>
> Dave Ziller, P.E.
> Senior Engineer - FMO Special Projects
> Seattle Fire Department
> Ph     206 386 9865
> Fax   206 615 1068
> [email protected]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Daniel Wilder
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 15:57
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: solid shelves in auto parts stores
>
> The NAPA configuration that I had the pleasure or taking on was 24" or 30"
> deep back to back shelves up to 16'(storage on the top shelf put me up to
> 18' total height) with an intermediate open grate mezzanine (essentially
> two 8' storage racks on top of each other) and no flue space.  Aisles about
> 30" wide (5 or 6 aisles) and 50 or so feet deep with a steep stair in the
> back corner.  Pre-engineered rack/mezzanine structure.
>
> Besides the obvious configuration issues, the shelving was setup so that
> any shelf could line up with the adjacent shelf giving you a 4'-5' wide by
> a minimum 8' long shelf.
>
> Final design (PE sealed, AHJ pre-approved, Owner and Tenant Insurance
> companies in the loop) included making the tenant install treated plywood
> over the open metal grating (separating the two storage heights, placing
> sprinkler lines down each aisle at a staggared 6-7' spacing (they advised
> us that the top shelf of the lower tier may not have product on it creating
> a cold solder issue).  Lower design was to misc back-to-back shelf storage
> to 8', EH1 or 2 (I can't remember).  Overhead system was designed with the
> higher storage height to 12' all with 286 heads.  This was a strip mall
> (billards place and a pool store in the same building), luckily the suite
> was next to the riser room and allowed us to upsize only a little bit of
> main and all the BL.  We did remove and reinstall the overhead BL for the
> tighter spacing and tied it all back into the existing OH2 grid at the
> common wall.
>
> A lot of extra work for such a small tenant space...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:27 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: solid shelves in auto parts stores
>
> Nobody here with experience on the AHJ or Engineering side of the following
> stores:
>
> O-reilly's
> Auto Zone
> Advanced Auto Parts
>
> These are three very common retail outlets with similar arrangements.
>
> Greg
>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Dale Wingard <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Greg,
> >
> > I would take a look at Chapter 13 (10ed) for miscellaneous storage.
> > There are a lot of plastic parts for vehicles.
> >
> > The tables there may take you as high as EH2.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:
> > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan
> > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:14 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: solid shelves in auto parts stores
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > 1) There is a PE involved
> > 2) This is not my job, but I am trying to be a friend to the AHJ'
> > 3) I can't readily put my hands on this due to other issues
> >
> >
> > A local AHJ has called me to inquire about the requirement for
> > protecting a major chain Auto Parts Store. The PE has stated OH2
> throughout the store.
> > AHJ is asking questions because there are 12' tall racks with a solid
> > top making him think they will store over 12'.
> >
> > Questions,
> >
> > Are solid shelves allowed in racks aver 30" deep in this scenario
> > without protection in the racks?
> >
> > Is OH@ appropriate for these "typical" Auto Parts Stores with the
> > storage as it is?
> >
> > Thanks for your help if you have time, if not please ignore and have a
> > great day!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Greg McGahan
> > Living Water Fire Protection, LLC <http://www.livingwaterfp.com>
> > 1160 McKenzie Road
> > Cantonment, FL 32533
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