On 29/05/2015, SomeoneElse <li...@atownsend.org.uk> wrote: > how do we distinguish in the Abergavenny case between the two > established names and the "up to 7,000" (but realistically in the short > term a few hundred) translations? That's unfortunately something that > name:xx in OSM doesn't give us currently
You don't distinguish them, and that's fine. There may be many many more pleople using "Abergavenny" than "Абергавенни", but that doesn't mean that the name isn't established, at its more limited scale. Speaking of plain dumb transliterations that got established, have a read of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Place_names_in_Ireland . Despite sharing the latin alphabet, all Irish placenames have been systematically "translated" when Ireland was under British rule. The transliteration job has been ridiculed by the locals and is no better than what a modern algorythm would do, but for better or worse today I live in "Kilkenny" more than I live in "Cill Cainnigh". > A question to those suggesting "Абергавенни" as a name:ru for > Abergavenny / Y Fenni - how to distinguish the latter (both are names > that you can to compare with signposts to see that you're going in the > right direction) with the former (which you can't, but a speaker of that > language might use to refer to that place in their own language)? Where the signpost toward "Pékin" (the french name for Beijing) ? Where on UK soil can I find the city sign for "Londres" ? Foreign names for local places *are* harder to verify, and we rightfully cast a more critical eye on them. But we've got plenty of hard-to-verify data in OSM, and we rarely take a deletionist approach to it. And for better or worse, Russia-based contributors are better suited to know what should go into name:ru than UK-based contributors. And as it happens, Абергавенни comes from Abergavenny rather than Y Fenni, showing that some discernment was applied. _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
