I'm not asking for a tailored job posting they send to me personally because they think I'm just a stellar guy, I'm just asking to know a base. If an employer is vague in describing their needs, then I ask for more clarification. The problem with a less than effective job posting is, at least for me, it sends the message that they really don't know what they need and if they don't know what they need they aren't willing to give the proper pay for it. Those cases usually turn out with the employee getting the short end of the stick.
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:36:09 -0600, Trevyn Meyer wrote: > Why would any employer have to tailor to the potential employee? > > If someone doesn't want to apply for my less than effective job > posting. > > How would that employee handle an unclear task? > > Trevyn All I'd like is a minimum, I'm not asking for an exact amount. If someone put a minimum of $30k on a job but required a masters degree and 5+ years experience, I'd just pass over it without a word because it's their loss. The reason I'm bringing this up is because I was at dice.com and I was getting _maybe_ one in ten postings that listed something other than DOE under pay. I completely agree with you that the right people will agree on what their skills and talent are worth, but again, that doesn't mean that an employer can't simply put a minimum pay with DOE tagged at the end. I keep hearing a lot of reasons behind why not to list pay, but so far none of them sound like a logical reason as to why just a minimum can't be listed. And every time I hear something about, "well think about it from the employer's side" or that there are too many unqualified people applying, I always think to myself that it isn't just the employer in the situation. If I'm going in for a job interview I'm there for me, no one else. That means I look out for me and no one else. I'm not looking to cheat anyone or do anything unethical, but I've learned my lesson and I'm not going to settle for less again. If someone isn't willing to be up front about what they are willing to give, I have a hard time putting forth an effort to find out when there are a dozen other job postings. > The other side of the coin is simply that $$ is too early in the > conversation. Maybe a minimum would be good, but honestly, if I put > minimum (or any number) in my postings, the next thread here would be > how I am a big, fat liar because I posted one number and offered > something else. > > Some communities like dice require ranges. It's ok when everyone > plays > by the rules.... the same rules, but unless there are clear rules > around how to state this and what numbers really mean, its really > better to judge the description, and, if they are a reasonable > company, the money should be pretty forthright pretty quick. > > Thankfully, my philosophy and my employer's align in that where we > feel we find talented people and then do our best to meet their > salary > requirements. There are other factors, of course, such as our > budgets, > the other people's salaries on the team, etc., but for the most part, > the right person is generally within the salary budget that I have. > That is nice. _______________________________________________ UPHPU mailing list [email protected] http://uphpu.org/mailman/listinfo/uphpu IRC: #uphpu on irc.freenode.net
