I like this post, Dave... On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:58 AM, David Boucha <[email protected]> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Victor Villa <[email protected]> wrote:
I've gone through a couple interview processes for mid > to senior level developer positions for pretty large companies and > found out at the end that they were only offering poverty level wages. So, like $10.73/hr without overtime? (snarky grin) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States > I understand that employers have other needs to consider when posting > job offers, but I won't even look twice if they don't post a range. > > I actually feel it's rather disrespectful. Why isn't this company > being direct and up front with me? What else are they going to be > evasive about? I don't think it's a good way to start a new employee / > employer relationship. Good point here. But, remember a few things: 1) Most people writing the job description/posting are NOT marketers or even professional communicators. Lots of times, they are (at best) the hiring manager that's freaked out because they just lost their best engineer and is more freaked out because they don't even know where to find anyone else like them ... or worse, HR-minions (interns?) that don't really have any idea what the range is and don't even know they should ask. They just process the paperwork and push "publish" on the posting. Check the box. Ding! Next! (wait, it's my smoke break--brb). 2) The internet has really changed out collective perception on what a relationship is, hasn't it? I don't post salaries on my jobs (I could, just don't generally), but I ALWAYS make myself exceedingly available to be contacted, and I will ALWAYS share the salary range with someone who is at least relatively interested and relatively qualified for the opening. In fact, I also expect YOU to make your expectations clear to me as well, if the job is interesting. So, in 30 min or less, you know about the job and can ask any question you want, I know about you and know if you're at least in range for the skills we hire for... and we both know the salary playing field and if my range encompasses your expectations, I tell you (or not) on the spot. Isn't that more like developing a relationship? My blind posting and your blind resume submission is really just a masquerade at best. Now, if you ask me what the range is and I EVADE you, yeah, you better take note.... but in a public posting? Like a billboard? I love my wife, but I don't generally make a practice of telling complete strangers all about my feelings for her. That is private --not secret-- but it is private. > > If you're wanting to be flexible, then say that in the job offer. Or > say you're looking to hire an entry level programmer as well as a > senior level and then hire the person you feel best fits. > > Dave > I have done both. Good thoughts. _______________________________________________ UPHPU mailing list [email protected] http://uphpu.org/mailman/listinfo/uphpu IRC: #uphpu on irc.freenode.net
