On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Chris Wood <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Brian J. Rogers <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> You keep coming back to the premise that employers aren't willing to
> pay people what they are worth.  In my experience at a couple of
> companies, I've never really seen management try to negotiate people
> down from the salary they are used to making at their previous job.
> In fact, most people move up in salary by moving companies.
>

Personally, (fwiw to the group), as a professional recruiter, I will
not work for a company whose business philosophy justified negotiating
people down below previous salary. That's sweat-shop talk. Not cool
and not honest. I believe the right person will be ready for the right
job at the right pay. A little too idealistic? Yeah, but I have to try
and recruit engineers all day.... give me a break :)

>
> I think you're generalizing and reading way too much into BOE in job
> listings.  I think you're missing out on some great potential
> employers out there.

True. I know other lists (the PLUG, for example) will openly ask
questions about certain companies. Often other people in the UG are
actually employees and will tell you publicly or off-list the straight
stuff on the company. If they're a bad actor? just wait for the
lambasting to begin.

> Frequently, we will do a phone call to screen the candidate before an
> interview and may talk salary expectations there to see if there is a
> fit.  If we're interested in a candidate, we always talk salary in the
> first interview.  If we're not interested in the candidate, we'll skip
> it to shorten the interview.

+1

>
> Candidates should be more than comfortable to ask about salary,
> benefits, etc, if the employer doesn't mention it in the first
> interview.

+1

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