On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Brian J. Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: > There is the key though. I'm an engineer, not a salesman. I don't mind > negotiations, they are good. What is bad is when one party isn't willing > to give what is necessary to get what they want. I should know what my > skills are worth, what I can do, and how well I can do it. That way I > don't waste mine and someone else's time with applying for jobs I'm not > qualified for.
You keep coming back to the premise that employers aren't willing to pay people what they are worth. In my experience at a couple of companies, I've never really seen management try to negotiate people down from the salary they are used to making at their previous job. In fact, most people move up in salary by moving companies. I had a professor that was the head of HR for CSX railroad state that you should not pay somebody less than they made previously because their life style is set to a certain salary expectation. He said sometimes you have potential candidates that have a salary requirement outside of the salary range for the job and the candidate will offer to take less money for the position. He said to not hire them or to pay them the salary they are used to because if you don't, they will be back in a couple of months because they can't pay their bills or will quite and move on. I think you're generalizing and reading way too much into BOE in job listings. I think you're missing out on some great potential employers out there. I should also note that our job application requests the salary requirement of the candidate. If an employee is outside our range, we don't waste their time with an interview. Frequently, we will do a phone call to screen the candidate before an interview and may talk salary expectations there to see if there is a fit. If we're interested in a candidate, we always talk salary in the first interview. If we're not interested in the candidate, we'll skip it to shorten the interview. Candidates should be more than comfortable to ask about salary, benefits, etc, if the employer doesn't mention it in the first interview. _______________________________________________ UPHPU mailing list [email protected] http://uphpu.org/mailman/listinfo/uphpu IRC: #uphpu on irc.freenode.net
