On Oct 25, 2007, at 12:13 AM, Jonathon -- Improov wrote:
> Not sure if I'd be so happy there... If I liked lots of rules I'd > probably work for a large corporation and stick to a 40 hour week, > 30 of which spent on politic-ing. ;)We (Singaporeans) would like to believe that we are productive, constructive. ;)Seriously speaking, Singaporean policies and systems have been quite efficient. Very little politicking. We have good men and women in management. But yes, we average citizens still complain that we're not getting enough freedom of movement (and speech) to exercise our capitalistic ingenuity (not that we actually succeed when we venture out to Taiwan, China) and our creative streaks.The few instances of corruption (like the NKF, charitable organization, saga) are exceptions. Police or official corruption is dealt with severely. I think the basic idea is "a hard rod to maintain strict accountability".But I do agree we somehow fall behind places like San Fran in terms of being a brain magnet. Singapore has made concessions, possibly attempting to make life here more "colorful", such as by building a casino (our first!). This country has strict code of morals (not that we all follow them all, but they do influence us some). We have no adult superstores here (last I saw).
Yeah, it's probably cleaner than San Francisco (not the cleanest city ;), though not bad).
Totalitarian societies are certainly efficient, history is full of that, but not much fun, and not always that just (turn up the knob too high on anything non-deterministic and you'll get lots of false positives). I can only stand being productive for so many hours each day.
Please do come here. :) We need all the brains we can get.The whole country is as squeaky clean as downtown in San Fran, or more so. As for pretty sceneries... we have... tall pretty buildings. :P Oh well.
I'd be happy to visit sometime should the opportunity present itself. Most of my travel has historically been for business, though this year I've dropped from about 3-4 months of travel per year to about 3-4 weeks (and most of that within a couple of hours from here...).
> It's all about collaboration and I don't think top-down management > is very healthy for that. I see myself as more of a moderator, just > trying to keep things flowing in a reasonable direction and raising > red flags when things seem to stray from that (not that I'm always > right when I do!).Ok, then I suppose you like biting your nails and pulling out your hair quite a bit. :) Always a trade-off between "ease of control" and "proliferation of ideas".
Yes, I suppose that's the point. Fortunately I have not commitments to hit with OFBiz itself, so it can be frustrating to see certain things happen, but not really all that stressful. People will do what they do, but that's part of the beauty.
I'd take working on an open source project for free over paid work any day though, WAY for more fun and less stressful (of course doing what you want instead of what someone else wants often is, especially when that other person wanting isn't being very nice).
Good luck handling us humans! I think I'd rather deal with computers and all their bugs.
Well, if any computer has a bug it is a human's fault. They are deterministic after all (except for hardware problems!). It is nice though that because of the determinism any bug can be discovered (sometimes more effort is required than one would like though...). Still, the other side is that everything that exists was designed by a human, nothing is "natural", it is ALL contrived and just piles upon piles of definitions.
-David
David E Jones wrote:You're in Singapore, am I remembering that right Jonathon?Not sure if I'd be so happy there... If I liked lots of rules I'd probably work for a large corporation and stick to a 40 hour week, 30 of which spent on politic-ing. ;) Sometimes it would be nice if my involvement in OFBiz was as a "manager" or a "dictator", even if a benign or benevolent one, but that's really not what this open source project is all about (some, mostly commercial driven ones, are a bit more totalitarian). It's all about collaboration and I don't think top- down management is very healthy for that. I see myself as more of a moderator, just trying to keep things flowing in a reasonable direction and raising red flags when things seem to stray from that (not that I'm always right when I do!). This is one of the reasons why there isn't really an end goal or project plan as there should always be for a traditional organization or product. There has been some discussion about a road map, which I do think would be valuable for all, but not as a top-down management sort of thing, more as a chance for people to collaborate more effectively by communicating what we'd all like to see in the near and distant future for the project.-David On Oct 24, 2007, at 9:25 PM, Jonathon -- Improov wrote:Haha! Hahaha!! Skip, yeah, you're right. I live in a country so focused on efficiency, we may actually have some kind of formula for lawmaker to citizen ratio! We also control the number of varsity graduates to exactly match market demands.With efficiency lessons etched so hard into our skulls, I feel for David Jones as he tries to manage a world-wide (and tremendously varied) pool of contributors and contributions. My country is a socialist republic. Maybe David would be happy here. The phrase "benign dictator" sounds like such an oxymoron (how to achieve?). But that seems to be what works, from history's lessons.I don't think my government would consider "having more laws (or lawmakers) than there are citizens to follow them laws". Hmm. Curious.Jonathon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:"So many people, so few lawmakers." Gads Jonathon, you obviously don't livein the U.S where there are two lawmakers for every citizen! :) -----Original Message----- From: Jonathon -- Improov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:52 PM To: user@ofbiz.apache.org Subject: Re: shipments made for out of stock itemsCertainly inappropriate. There are also many other inappropriate (or largelymissing) parts inOFBiz, like EFT handling (different in my part of the world, maybe). But we have to consider that we have many cooks (we all want in on it), andjust one soup (OFBiz, framework, foundation functionalities).I always did wonder why my government doesn't make laws to prevent cyclistsfrom cycling onpedestrian pavements/paths. Well, they did, once. But then, they realizedthat not everyone cyclesat breakneck speeds like me. :) And cycling at crawl speeds on the roadsidescan be terribly scaryfor most folks. So they removed the law. Yeah, they may need to make a lawthat fines me forcycling on pedestrian paths, just me. :P So many people, so few lawmakers.Jonathon Dave Tenerowicz wrote:The more I think about this, it seems inappropriate for an ERP system to allow this. Why would the quick ship service allow a user to charge a customers credit card and "ship" a physical product that the systemhttp://www.salmonllc.com/Jsp/vanity/ERP_CRM.jsp? nav=2&NavBarId=ERP_CRMServic"knew" was not available?Before charging the card, the sales person would want to confirm that the goods were actually available. Once this was confirmed, it would take a facility worker 30 seconds to adjust the inventory, leaving anaudit trail etc. To me this seems like a JIRA issue, which should be fixed. I'll submit the issue and we'll submit a fix. Dave Tenerowicz wrote:Thank you! David E Jones wrote:Well, there ya go! The quick ship order stuff doesn't check stock levels... -David On Oct 23, 2007, at 3:53 PM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote:Yes, I should have mentioned that we created a new service toautomatically create shipments. It calls quickShipOrder as part ofit's processing. -Dave David E Jones wrote:What do you mean by "being created"?There isn't really anything that automatically creates shipments, unless a human does it through some UI like the shipment or packing screens (or a service or something was written to automatically doit somehow). -David On Oct 22, 2007, at 3:48 PM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote:It appears that shipments are being created with out of stockitems in an implementation we are doing. 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