Skip,
Just my rambling 2 cents here. :)
It takes time to write "If it has wide appeal and does not break existing users, we can consider
it". Quicker to write, "It'll most likely be rejected" (so ask me more about why, or just shoot me).
I'd like to bring up a curious experience in my 13-year career.
Some folks can do everything, marketing and coding and even HR management. It's like a soccer
player who can be a defender and an attacker. However, no one man/woman can do everything at any
one time. Even if I were a great PR guy and a great coder, if I try to do both at the same time,
I'd be bad at both!
Oh yeah, I've tried to do my business being EVERYTHING all the time, zero or minimal delegation (I
thought I could have all the profits to myself). Things fell apart instead. I've learned some good
and painful lessons in life.
Best to always assume the best intention in people when reading what they write. Nope, I can't
always practice what I just preached. All too human. Heh. :P
Jonathon
Skip wrote:
David
My apologies. I read this comment "It will most likely be rejected." and
was not amused. I personally should always refrain from responding to these
and will endeavor to do so in the future.
It is obvious to me that most people who currently use Ofbiz like it the way
it is or it would have long since been changed. However, as the user base
grows, so will the needs. Rejecting an idea out of hand and discouraging
people from contributing seems counter-productive just because it is the way
most people do it.
In this case, if you use properties to control behavior, it doesn't have to
be either/or. I've spent three or four months now learning Ofbiz and a month
writing code for it. I have contracts now for three years of work based on
it. What I write will not be suitable for everyone, but it will be useful
to many. I can take the time and write it so that it is easily customizable
by the devs who listen here or just bang it out for the current customer and
not bother offering it up.
I would perfer to contribute my work back to the community. I feel a strong
obligation to do so. However, when I read comments like the above I start
asking myself, "whats the point of doing the extra work when it will not be
accepted?". Some will say that it can still be found in Jira, but unless
you monitor the Jira religiously, trying to find unaccepted contributions is
painful.
In my view, you could have encourages contributions by saying "If it has
wide appeal and does not break existing users, we can consider it" instead
of "It will most likely be rejected".
Just my opinionated jerk self 2 cents.
Skip
-----Original Message-----
From: David E Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 3:18 PM
To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
Subject: Re: shipments made for out of stock items
Wow, in a friendly mood today aren't we?
Don't be so quick to judge people.
Keep in mind that OFBiz supports companies that don't track inventory
in OFBiz, and currently most companies don't do book keeping in OFBiz.
It doesn't mean it's sloppy or bad or from malicious intent or that
the people who want to do things this way are incompetent, or that
the analysts who designed it or developers who created it are
incompetent.
OFBiz is a collaborative community working together to create a
system that can be used (hopefully without too much customization) in
a wide variety of businesses and a wide variety of requirements for
interactions with other systems and such.
Please try not to undermine that. It is the foundation of this
effort. If you want something done about this, please frame it in
that light.
-David
On Oct 24, 2007, at 2:09 PM, Skip wrote:
Dave
I agree that this is a big hole/bug. On the other hand, there are
folks who
don't mind/prefer the sloppiness (I have a customer just like
that). So,
perhaps we could use a property to define the behavior, like:
ilikesloppybookkeeping=true/false (tongue in cheek)
However, I would be happy to collaborate to get this done. I want
requirements and automatic backorders issued for out of stock etc
for quick
ship. I was just about to start work on this. We could modify the
existing
service to look for a property and if it exists, do the better
bookkeeping /
automatic ordering.
This is a hole for me because if my customer has a customer at the
counter
and is selling him some stuff and part of it is on back order, he
has to
exit out of the sales order screen and go to the shipping screen to
get it
all done right. It's a pain and will happen 10 times a day for
him. Fixing
the quickship will take care of it.
Maybe with the configurable property, the muckity-mucks won't be so
reluctant to accept it.
Skip
-----Original Message-----
From: David E Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:24 PM
To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
Subject: Re: shipments made for out of stock items
On Oct 24, 2007, at 6:41 AM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote:
The more I think about this, it seems inappropriate for an ERP
system to allow this. Why would the quick ship service allow a user
to charge a customers credit card and "ship" a physical product
that the system "knew" was not available?
For some users the system doesn't know everything...
Before charging the card, the sales person would want to confirm
that the goods were actually available. Once this was confirmed, it
would take a facility worker 30 seconds to adjust the inventory,
leaving an audit trail etc.
Yes, but not everyone wants to use it this way.
To me this seems like a JIRA issue, which should be fixed.
I'll submit the issue and we'll submit a fix.
It will most likely be rejected.
-David
Dave Tenerowicz wrote:
Thank you!
David E Jones wrote:
Well, there ya go!
The quick ship order stuff doesn't check stock levels...
-David
On Oct 23, 2007, at 3:53 PM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote:
Yes, I should have mentioned that we created a new service to
automatically create shipments. It calls quickShipOrder as part
of it's processing.
-Dave
David E Jones wrote:
What do you mean by "being created"?
There isn't really anything that automatically creates
shipments, unless a human does it through some UI like the
shipment or packing screens (or a service or something was
written to automatically do it somehow).
-David
On Oct 22, 2007, at 3:48 PM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote:
It appears that shipments are being created with out of stock
items in an implementation we are doing. I am guessing this is
due to product store settings, not a code issue.
rev = 545314
check inventory=Y
reserve inventory=Y
require inventory=N
All products are finished goods (no digital or virtual)
Thanks for any help.
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