Hello, You completely missed my point about implementation of such a system, not to mention the extreme complexities involved in coding it. Also, You completely glossed over the fact that Shareware is the only model where this is typically done. Shareware usually comes from small start-ups which are still trying to get their names out, and by hobbyists. Successful companies usually do not use shareware for reasons of piracy.
Shareware programs can, and are, cracked so people can use them without paying for them. Companies and developers which make and sell shareware do not earn very much money from the shareware because it is so easily and readily cracked. So, let's consider Apple App Store with such a distribution method. If you never jailbreak your iOS device, the system will probably work decently well, except that a good hacker may be able to open the app's shell and tinker with its timing factor. If the app cannot receive the accurate time from the phone, it can always believe it is still in the 24 hour free trial time. I knew a person back in the US who did this with all his trial programs on his Mac. He was a low paid movie producer, but liked Adobe's editing, so he cracked adobe video editor to use it without paying the several hundred dollar licensing fee / purchase price. If you jailbreak your iPhone, the jailbreak community would quickly develop an app that would enfold any App Store app and constantly show the time/date stamp which makes the app believe it is still in its trial phase. To do this, no app would need to be hacked, just intercept the day/time query from the app and send back the original day of download. This is a basic program I could probably write with just a little bit of study. And, before you say blind people are mostly honest and would never do such a thing, even if true, and I would question such an assertion, we are less than 0.5% of the population, and probably less than that of the percent of people who use iPhones and iPhone apps. These, and other similar questions must be answered to developers' satisfaction before developers would feel secure in agreeing to such a scheme with significant possibility of piracy and abuse. In other words, our desires are not the only factors that need to be considered. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2013, at 11:33, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think this is very analogous. When you purchase a meal, it's to enjoy > it that one dining experience. If you don't like the food then you can > complain. You may or may not get some consideration on the bill, and this has > nothing to do with blindness. > > When you purchase an app, it's generally to use it for a while, and not just > one time. Plenty of companies and apps have very successful business models > where you can download an application, try it for a week or a month and then > purchase it or it stops working. This is not a new concept, and as David has > said, could be implemented in the App Store with in app purchases. > > Finally, enjoying the taste of a meal and the dining experience has nothing > to do with sight or blindness, and is pretty trivial when compared to the > needed accessibility to use an app. > > On 08/04/2013 06:20 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: >> Hi, >> >> This arguement reminds me of something along the line of... >> lets go to the restarant, lets order some food, eat it, then decide if >> you like the food or not to determine if you pay for the food or not. >> Reason? well, because i'm blind, i have the rights to taste the food. If >> it is not suiting my taste, i'll decide not too pay... >> >> Joanne Shuang Chua >> Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate >> Send from my iPad >> >> On 05/08/2013, at 8:42, Maria and Joe Chapman <bubbygirl1...@gmail.com >> <mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>> Hi. I was thinking more along the lines of the app could be >>> downloaded and is fully functional for a day unless you purchase a key >>> on the mac or do an in app purchase on the iphone. Some apps can be >>> rather expensive, I would not be willing to buy a 10 or 20 dollar app >>> I could not use and probably wouldn't unless I had heard it was at >>> least usable in some way with voice over. How many apps I wonder are >>> not discovered to be accessible because people are afraid to buy them >>> in case they are not usable? >>> >>> >>> regards >>> Maria and crew from australia >>> email: >>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com <mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com> >>> check out >>> www.95-the-mix.com <http://www.95-the-mix.com> >>> where we play lots of great music >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 05/08/2013, at 9:01 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> I would rather not give Apple complete access to my phone just so >>>> they can occasionally check to ensure I am not pirating apps. >>>> >>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> >>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 05/08/2013, at 10:41, Maria and Joe Chapman >>>> <bubbygirl1...@gmail.com <mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> HI. wouldn't it work better if all apps could be downloaded for >>>>> free and trialled say for a day? There are lots of apps I'd love to >>>>> try but am hesitant to download due to the fact that there is really >>>>> no way to tell if they are accessible or not unless someone on list >>>>> or someone on applevis has tried them. I mean if it's a 99 c app >>>>> it's not that bad but if it's 5 or 10 bucks? That's going to get >>>>> expensive. >>>>> Warm regards and blessings >>>>> Maria, Joe and FurBabies >>>>> Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com <http://gmail.com/> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 03/08/2013, at 6:02 PM, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com >>>>> <mailto:arno...@mindspring.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> As I state in another message, I would be much more willing to >>>>>> support a general refund policy, such as Google has, or at least >>>>>> use to have, rather than an it won't work with VoiceOver policy. >>>>>> That is just too open to abuse. Besides, a general refund policy >>>>>> would be an even better way to let developers know if people didn't >>>>>> like their app, a bunch of them all requested refunds. It might >>>>>> even improve accessibility. >>>>>> Arnold Schmidt >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> *From:*Cara Quinn <mailto:modelc...@gmail.com> >>>>>> *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>>> *Sent:*Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:58 AM >>>>>> *Subject:*Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support >>>>>> regarding app refund >>>>>> >>>>>> Sieghard and All, >>>>>> >>>>>> Let me encourage you and actually everyone on this list to >>>>>> write Apple Accessibility to request that there be reasonable >>>>>> accommodation in place for VoiceOver users to receive app >>>>>> refunds in cases like Sieghard's. I'd also suggest that >>>>>> Sieghard's note be attached to your own. >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe this issue needs to be brought into the forefront in >>>>>> a positive and decisive way. We are almost 2000 people on this >>>>>> list and this is a very good opportunity to make this point heard. >>>>>> >>>>>> This discussion has come up before of being alerted of VO >>>>>> accessibility ahead of time in the App Store and though we've >>>>>> not come to a set conclusion on the best way to do this, having >>>>>> some indication that an app has been found to be accessible to >>>>>> some degree with VoiceOver before we purchase it is a >>>>>> completely reasonable request. If this is not possible, then it >>>>>> is more than reasonable to ask for refunds if we cannot use an >>>>>> app which is not accessible to us with the available Apple >>>>>> universal access paradigm. >>>>>> >>>>>> the email address for Apple Accessibility is: >>>>>> >>>>>> accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> These are very caring people so please keep this in mind when >>>>>> you write. I've known some of them personally. They want to >>>>>> help though there may not be a clear way of making this happen >>>>>> just yet. Just let them know this is important though. Make >>>>>> your voice heard in a friendly way. they will listen to you >>>>>> even if they do not know the best answer yet. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks All, for your time. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> >>>>>> Cara :) >>>>>> On Aug 1, 2013, at 11:09 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca >>>>>> <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello List, >>>>>> Requesting a refund for an app which turns out not to work with >>>>>> Voiceover has come up a few times and the iTunes Store support >>>>>> email has been posted in connection with that. So I thought I >>>>>> post my recent experience with contacting iTunes Store support >>>>>> via their email. >>>>>> I had bought a couple of package tracking apps in order to find >>>>>> out which one I liked best. I have been using Track This which >>>>>> is awesome, but I am in Canada and for some reason they don’t >>>>>> support Purolator and CanPar which are both major carriers >>>>>> here. I contacted Track This support twice and never received a >>>>>> reply. >>>>>> Anyhow, back to iTunes Store support. I provided all the >>>>>> information including order numbers, purchase date, my Apple Id >>>>>> etc. I explained how I really enjoyed my iPhone and the >>>>>> fantastic accessibility, but that unfortunately these two apps >>>>>> I purchased were not voiceover friendly and there was no Light >>>>>> version offered which I could have tried first. I also >>>>>> mentioned that I contacted both developers and after almost a >>>>>> week had not received a reply. In short, I was friendly, >>>>>> explained everything and even waited to see if the developers >>>>>> would reply to see if they were willing to make Voiceover >>>>>> improvements. >>>>>> I received a prompt reply in which the agent explained that all >>>>>> app sales are final, but that given the situation they would >>>>>> refund me the $6.72 or whatever it was for the 2 apps. However, >>>>>> she also continued to give me links as to their terms and >>>>>> conditions and said that this was a one-time curtocy and that >>>>>> in the future they could not provide any more refunds and that >>>>>> it was up to me to make sure I didn’t turn on one-click >>>>>> ordering and accidently purchase apps or read the app >>>>>> description to be sure it was what I wanted. It was strange >>>>>> because all of this gave me the impression this person did not >>>>>> at all get the point about Voiceover and all that, but on the >>>>>> other hand she said they would give me a refund given the >>>>>> situation. According to what she said I should see the refund >>>>>> back on my account within 48 hours and since both apps were >>>>>> purchased using store credit it would come back as store >>>>>> credit. This is now 2 weeks ago and I replied twice to the >>>>>> initial message to explain that I still had not received the >>>>>> credit and I am getting no more replies. >>>>>> I guess what I want to say here is that those who have done >>>>>> this and received refunds are lucky, but it appears one should >>>>>> definitely not count on getting a refund even if an app turns >>>>>> out not to work with Voiceover. 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