HI. there are already a lot of apps that have limited functionality unless you buy them. Couldn't this simply be extended to more apps? Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
On 05/08/2013, at 2:23 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > You completely missed my point about implementation of such a system, not to > mention the extreme complexities involved in coding it. Also, You completely > glossed over the fact that Shareware is the only model where this is > typically done. Shareware usually comes from small start-ups which are still > trying to get their names out, and by hobbyists. Successful companies usually > do not use shareware for reasons of piracy. > > Shareware programs can, and are, cracked so people can use them without > paying for them. Companies and developers which make and sell shareware do > not earn very much money from the shareware because it is so easily and > readily cracked. > > So, let's consider Apple App Store with such a distribution method. If you > never jailbreak your iOS device, the system will probably work decently well, > except that a good hacker may be able to open the app's shell and tinker with > its timing factor. If the app cannot receive the accurate time from the > phone, it can always believe it is still in the 24 hour free trial time. I > knew a person back in the US who did this with all his trial programs on his > Mac. He was a low paid movie producer, but liked Adobe's editing, so he > cracked adobe video editor to use it without paying the several hundred > dollar licensing fee / purchase price. > > If you jailbreak your iPhone, the jailbreak community would quickly develop > an app that would enfold any App Store app and constantly show the time/date > stamp which makes the app believe it is still in its trial phase. To do this, > no app would need to be hacked, just intercept the day/time query from the > app and send back the original day of download. This is a basic program I > could probably write with just a little bit of study. > > And, before you say blind people are mostly honest and would never do such a > thing, even if true, and I would question such an assertion, we are less than > 0.5% of the population, and probably less than that of the percent of people > who use iPhones and iPhone apps. These, and other similar questions must be > answered to developers' satisfaction before developers would feel secure in > agreeing to such a scheme with significant possibility of piracy and abuse. > > In other words, our desires are not the only factors that need to be > considered. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > > On 05/08/2013, at 11:33, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I don't think this is very analogous. When you purchase a meal, it's to >> enjoy it that one dining experience. If you don't like the food then you can >> complain. You may or may not get some consideration on the bill, and this >> has nothing to do with blindness. >> >> When you purchase an app, it's generally to use it for a while, and not just >> one time. Plenty of companies and apps have very successful business models >> where you can download an application, try it for a week or a month and then >> purchase it or it stops working. This is not a new concept, and as David has >> said, could be implemented in the App Store with in app purchases. >> >> Finally, enjoying the taste of a meal and the dining experience has nothing >> to do with sight or blindness, and is pretty trivial when compared to the >> needed accessibility to use an app. >> >> On 08/04/2013 06:20 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> This arguement reminds me of something along the line of... >>> lets go to the restarant, lets order some food, eat it, then decide if >>> you like the food or not to determine if you pay for the food or not. >>> Reason? well, because i'm blind, i have the rights to taste the food. If >>> it is not suiting my taste, i'll decide not too pay... >>> >>> Joanne Shuang Chua >>> Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate >>> Send from my iPad >>> >>> On 05/08/2013, at 8:42, Maria and Joe Chapman <bubbygirl1...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi. I was thinking more along the lines of the app could be >>>> downloaded and is fully functional for a day unless you purchase a key >>>> on the mac or do an in app purchase on the iphone. Some apps can be >>>> rather expensive, I would not be willing to buy a 10 or 20 dollar app >>>> I could not use and probably wouldn't unless I had heard it was at >>>> least usable in some way with voice over. How many apps I wonder are >>>> not discovered to be accessible because people are afraid to buy them >>>> in case they are not usable? >>>> >>>> >>>> regards >>>> Maria and crew from australia >>>> email: >>>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com <mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com> >>>> check out >>>> www.95-the-mix.com <http://www.95-the-mix.com> >>>> where we play lots of great music >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 05/08/2013, at 9:01 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I would rather not give Apple complete access to my phone just so >>>>> they can occasionally check to ensure I am not pirating apps. >>>>> >>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> >>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On 05/08/2013, at 10:41, Maria and Joe Chapman >>>>> <bubbygirl1...@gmail.com <mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> HI. wouldn't it work better if all apps could be downloaded for >>>>>> free and trialled say for a day? There are lots of apps I'd love to >>>>>> try but am hesitant to download due to the fact that there is really >>>>>> no way to tell if they are accessible or not unless someone on list >>>>>> or someone on applevis has tried them. I mean if it's a 99 c app >>>>>> it's not that bad but if it's 5 or 10 bucks? That's going to get >>>>>> expensive. >>>>>> Warm regards and blessings >>>>>> Maria, Joe and FurBabies >>>>>> Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com <http://gmail.com/> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 03/08/2013, at 6:02 PM, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com >>>>>> <mailto:arno...@mindspring.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> As I state in another message, I would be much more willing to >>>>>>> support a general refund policy, such as Google has, or at least >>>>>>> use to have, rather than an it won't work with VoiceOver policy. >>>>>>> That is just too open to abuse. Besides, a general refund policy >>>>>>> would be an even better way to let developers know if people didn't >>>>>>> like their app, a bunch of them all requested refunds. It might >>>>>>> even improve accessibility. >>>>>>> Arnold Schmidt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> *From:*Cara Quinn <mailto:modelc...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>> *Sent:*Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:58 AM >>>>>>> *Subject:*Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support >>>>>>> regarding app refund >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sieghard and All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let me encourage you and actually everyone on this list to >>>>>>> write Apple Accessibility to request that there be reasonable >>>>>>> accommodation in place for VoiceOver users to receive app >>>>>>> refunds in cases like Sieghard's. I'd also suggest that >>>>>>> Sieghard's note be attached to your own. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I believe this issue needs to be brought into the forefront in >>>>>>> a positive and decisive way. We are almost 2000 people on this >>>>>>> list and this is a very good opportunity to make this point heard. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This discussion has come up before of being alerted of VO >>>>>>> accessibility ahead of time in the App Store and though we've >>>>>>> not come to a set conclusion on the best way to do this, having >>>>>>> some indication that an app has been found to be accessible to >>>>>>> some degree with VoiceOver before we purchase it is a >>>>>>> completely reasonable request. If this is not possible, then it >>>>>>> is more than reasonable to ask for refunds if we cannot use an >>>>>>> app which is not accessible to us with the available Apple >>>>>>> universal access paradigm. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the email address for Apple Accessibility is: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> These are very caring people so please keep this in mind when >>>>>>> you write. I've known some of them personally. They want to >>>>>>> help though there may not be a clear way of making this happen >>>>>>> just yet. Just let them know this is important though. Make >>>>>>> your voice heard in a friendly way. they will listen to you >>>>>>> even if they do not know the best answer yet. :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks All, for your time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cara :) >>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2013, at 11:09 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca >>>>>>> <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello List, >>>>>>> Requesting a refund for an app which turns out not to work with >>>>>>> Voiceover has come up a few times and the iTunes Store support >>>>>>> email has been posted in connection with that. So I thought I >>>>>>> post my recent experience with contacting iTunes Store support >>>>>>> via their email. >>>>>>> I had bought a couple of package tracking apps in order to find >>>>>>> out which one I liked best. I have been using Track This which >>>>>>> is awesome, but I am in Canada and for some reason they don’t >>>>>>> support Purolator and CanPar which are both major carriers >>>>>>> here. I contacted Track This support twice and never received a >>>>>>> reply. >>>>>>> Anyhow, back to iTunes Store support. I provided all the >>>>>>> information including order numbers, purchase date, my Apple Id >>>>>>> etc. I explained how I really enjoyed my iPhone and the >>>>>>> fantastic accessibility, but that unfortunately these two apps >>>>>>> I purchased were not voiceover friendly and there was no Light >>>>>>> version offered which I could have tried first. I also >>>>>>> mentioned that I contacted both developers and after almost a >>>>>>> week had not received a reply. In short, I was friendly, >>>>>>> explained everything and even waited to see if the developers >>>>>>> would reply to see if they were willing to make Voiceover >>>>>>> improvements. >>>>>>> I received a prompt reply in which the agent explained that all >>>>>>> app sales are final, but that given the situation they would >>>>>>> refund me the $6.72 or whatever it was for the 2 apps. However, >>>>>>> she also continued to give me links as to their terms and >>>>>>> conditions and said that this was a one-time curtocy and that >>>>>>> in the future they could not provide any more refunds and that >>>>>>> it was up to me to make sure I didn’t turn on one-click >>>>>>> ordering and accidently purchase apps or read the app >>>>>>> description to be sure it was what I wanted. It was strange >>>>>>> because all of this gave me the impression this person did not >>>>>>> at all get the point about Voiceover and all that, but on the >>>>>>> other hand she said they would give me a refund given the >>>>>>> situation. According to what she said I should see the refund >>>>>>> back on my account within 48 hours and since both apps were >>>>>>> purchased using store credit it would come back as store >>>>>>> credit. This is now 2 weeks ago and I replied twice to the >>>>>>> initial message to explain that I still had not received the >>>>>>> credit and I am getting no more replies. >>>>>>> I guess what I want to say here is that those who have done >>>>>>> this and received refunds are lucky, but it appears one should >>>>>>> definitely not count on getting a refund even if an app turns >>>>>>> out not to work with Voiceover. 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