*That is an amazing level of carbon dioxide occurring during the period 500 Ma*
The estimates are 6000 ppm, but we won’t be able to get to this level unless we kill most of the plant life on the land and in the sea( this is possible as in Soylent Green …a 1973 dystopian American science fiction film). On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 5:50 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: > That is an amazing level of carbon dioxide occurring during the period 500 > Ma. Do you have an estimate of how much of the available carbon was > required to reach that level? In other words, what would be the > concentration seen if all of the carbon reachable by man in the form of > fossil fuels were to be burned? > > Have we located and burned 10% of the carbon at our disposal? > > Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Mon, Jul 30, 2012 5:42 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides > > Various proxy measurements have been used to attempt to determine > atmospheric carbon dioxide levels millions of years in the past. These > include boron and carbon isotope ratios in certain types of marine > sediments, and the number of stomata observed on fossil plant leaves. > > While these measurements give much less precise estimates of carbon > dioxide concentration than ice cores, there is evidence for very high > CO2volume concentrations between 200 and 150 million years ago ( Ma) of over > 3,000 ppm and between 600 and 400 Ma of over 6,000 ppm. In more recent > times, atmospheric CO2 concentration continued to fall after about 60 Ma. > > About 34 Ma, the time of the Eocene-Oligocene extinction event and when > the Antarctic ice sheet started to take its current form, CO2 is found to > have been about 760 ppm, and there is geochemical evidence that volume > concentrations were less than 300 ppm by about 20 Ma. > > Carbon dioxide decrease, with a tipping point of 600 ppm, was the primary > agent forcing Antarctic glaciation. Low CO2 concentrations may have been > the stimulus that favored the evolution of C4 carbon fixation plants, > which increased greatly in abundance between 7 and 5 Ma. > > > > > > Cheers: Axil > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 5:14 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com>wrote: > >> Axil, >> >> You speak of ice receding as though it is inevitable. My major worry is >> that the present heating will trigger an ice event. I guess we could use >> the old ice core data to determine the typical length of time between >> heating and the following ice age which would be a far worse catastrophe. >> >> Dave >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> >> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >> Sent: Mon, Jul 30, 2012 4:01 pm >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides >> >> As the ice recedes, there will be a redistribution of land area among >> the nations of the earth. >> The US and China will lose a goodly amount of coastal land area. The >> Kingdom of Denmark will be the biggest winner. Greenland is an autonomous >> country within the Kingdom of Denmark and will be ice free and ripe for new >> development. >> The countries abutting the Arctic Ocean will also be winners because >> their northern most territories will now be ice free and usable for >> development >> The ice free Antarctic continent is an international zone and will be off >> limits to all nations because of international treaties restricting all >> national development. Because of this, useable land surface area will be >> greatly reduced for the use of the world’s population. >> >> Cheers: Axil >> >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> ** >>> Excellent post Axil. You captured my sentiment precisely. >>> >>> It really moronic to try to continue to waste money on places that are >>> borrowed time. Or to waste money on steps to stop it. >>> >>> Global Warming may be scary to some, but to me, I believe it will be >>> good for mankind in the medium to long term, as it would open up more farm >>> land. >>> >>> >>> Jojo >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> >>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:43 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides >>> >>> I regret the tremendous waste of money which will occur all over the >>> world that sea level rise is going to cause. >>> There is a thousand trillion dollar loss just in valuable east coast US >>> real estate value and infrastructure. We should stop dumping good money >>> after bad into these soon to be flooded areas. >>> The coming flood overhangs all national and local decision making or at >>> least it should. >>> The US government should think about relocating Washington DC to higher >>> ground rather than dumping more improvements into that doomed town. I think >>> Harrisburg PA is the right elevation at 450 feet above sea level for the >>> new capital. >>> All the present land owners will have to be moved to somewhere else >>> because their houses and farms will be granted over to the US government >>> for the new location of the transplanted new capital through emanate >>> domain. >>> Eminent domain in the US is the compulsory purchase for federal or state >>> government use. It is an action of the state to seize a citizen's private >>> property, expropriate property, or seize a citizen's rights in property >>> with due monetary compensation, but without the owner's consent. >>> Eminent domain will need to take place well into the present mid-west to >>> make room for the new coast line of the American nation. >>> All US citizens will be affected except some grain farmers in Kansas. >>> Stop wasting money to improve New York City infrastructure like the 10 >>> billion dollar water system improvement, the 20 billion dollar subway >>> extension, and the 100 billon dollar world trade center rebuild. That >>> entire infrastructure will soon be under 300 feet of sea water. >>> This is true for all the cities on the east and west coasts and the gulf >>> coasts. >>> We know the flood is coming; it is no surprise, so let’s start making >>> plans to adapt to it. >>> >>> Cheers: Axil >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:54 AM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> ** >>>> Indeed it is getting silly.... Silly how people jam their beliefs of >>>> AGW down your throat. There is NO AGW. But even if there was, as many >>>> people said here, I'd rather have it warmer than colder. Colder weather is >>>> more an environmental catastrophe than weather that is warmer a few >>>> degrees. >>>> >>>> Once again, this is not about environmentalism per se. This is an >>>> occultic pantheistic movement, nothing more than the worship of Mother >>>> Earth. >>>> >>>> >>>> Jojo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com> >>>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com >>>> *Sent:* Monday, July 30, 2012 3:44 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Koch founded climate skeptic changes sides >>>> >>>> Le Jul 30, 2012 à 12:36 AM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> a écrit : >>>> >>>> Reality check people. Environmentalism and Global Warming hoopla is >>>> not about catastrophe or overpopulation or unsustainability. It's about a >>>> growing pantheistic religion movement. A movement that would have you >>>> worship rocks and trees and rivers and animals. Personally, I find this >>>> attempt to browbeat me into this pantheistic movement quite offensive. And >>>> that is exactly what Global Warming Extremist are trying to do. >>>> >>>> >>>> You've mischaracterized the legitimate concern of many that there >>>> will be negative repercussions of climate change as their browbeating you >>>> into submitting to pantheism. This is getting silly. >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
