Running a control experiment is "debunking"?
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:57 PM, John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com> wrote: > It is funny that not a single new person has reported even testing the > images. > Both Jones Bennee and Gibson Elliot had tested and reported back with > positive results before I posted this to Vortex. > > So before everyone tries to debunk it, find fault. > How about actually testing it and reporting back what if anything you got > from it? > > For me the intensity of the energy is far far beyond anything that my > imagination alone can conjure up. > But I accept that may not be the case for most. > > John > > On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:44 AM, James Bowery <jabow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> What would be an acceptable control experiment that could distinguish >> between placebo and real effect? What about double blind? >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:13 PM, John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Let me add that I also know that this has nothing to do with visual >>> effects because this is only one form I have used to effect the aether. >>> >>> It started when I made a coil a bit over a year ago, I could very very >>> faintly at first feel something in my hand. >>> It was near the level of imagination at first, but it became more >>> apparent as the energy gathered in my hand until it was undeniable. >>> >>> I thought it might have had a conventional explanation until I found it >>> worked for a few minutes after turning the power off. >>> >>> I learnt more and made one that needed no power and was stronger, I >>> tested it on people and found a majority could feel it. >>> >>> I have since made many more coils and had about 200+ people feel a >>> sensation (over 90%, often about 97%, occasionally a lower percentage feel >>> it, but always a majority). >>> >>> I have made audio files that use some of the principles I found to get >>> computer speakers to make the energy (sometimes it is not the sound but the >>> EM from the speakers that effects the aether). >>> >>> And I have done a lot of work with images since they can effect the >>> aether just fine, but have many many advantages. >>> >>> So if it was just an effect with the mind, then these same principles >>> would not work when in coil form hidden from sight in a tube, but it works >>> fine. >>> >>> So before you write this off as some bio-sensory trick, give it a try. >>> Why wouldn't light effect the medium in which it has it's existence? >>> Really by definition it must. Well, it does. >>> >>> >>> John >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:14 AM, John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> This is not made to effect the eye or brain. >>>> It works with eyes closed. >>>> As do images that look like a solid colour to the eyes, they still work >>>> (due to subtle colour variation the eye can't make out). >>>> >>>> If you put the 'shooter' image on screen and feel the right side of >>>> the screen from the back or not looking at the screen, the energy can still >>>> be felt. >>>> Having said that, it depends on the persons sensitivity. >>>> >>>> Some people can't feel it in their palms, but enough can. >>>> >>>> If you don't believe me, here is a radical idea, try it. >>>> Stick the image on screen and feel at the 'output' of the shooter image >>>> and see if you can feel something (likely subtle, a breeze, a cool, a >>>> warmth, a tingle, something), then try without being able to see the image. >>>> >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Roarty, Francis X < >>>> francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> John,**** >>>>> >>>>> Eye candy, vertigo and mood alteration are certainly examples of light >>>>> patterns affecting the brain through optical stimulation but I would not >>>>> qualify this as engineering the ether. It is an interesting subject but I >>>>> disagree with you titling this subject as based on ether theory.**** >>>>> >>>>> Regards**** >>>>> >>>>> Fran**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> *From:* John Berry [mailto:berry.joh...@gmail.com] >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:05 AM >>>>> >>>>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com >>>>> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists >>>>> here?**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> Harry, thanks for your appreciation.**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> But it isn't about drawings.**** >>>>> >>>>> Sure, that is the option I have selected to share since it is sooo >>>>> easy to replicate.**** >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> I can also make sound files that create energy that can be felt.**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> And programs**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> And videos, but the easiest to share is images.**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> I can share coils, I can share electrical circuits.**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> It is about breaking into a new realm of physics that makes much more >>>>> extraordinary technology possible.**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> So who is interested? >>>>> So far no one new has apparently tried to feel the energy.**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> I thought the only reason to be here was interests in breakthrough >>>>> discoveries in science that change what is possible, it seems however that >>>>> there are very very few even willing to dip their toe in the water.*** >>>>> * >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> John**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Harry Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:**** >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for positing this. >>>>> It is about drawing the world into existence.**** >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> Newton drew a clock-work universe into existence using geometry >>>>> and the tools of a mechanical draftsmen.**** >>>>> >>>>> "...geometry is founded in mechanical practice, and is nothing but >>>>> that part of universal mechanics which accurately proposes and >>>>> demonstrates >>>>> the art of measuring." --from the preface to Principia **** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Today, we don't have to confine ourselves to mechanical practices when >>>>> drawing geometry so we can draw different worlds into existence.**** >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> Harry**** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 8:56 AM, John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:**** >>>>> >>>>> And a 3rd image to try to feel, this contains recent development with >>>>> some previous ones.**** >>>>> >>>>> http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6251/rotational.png**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> All in an effort to reduce the odds of having people report they don't >>>>> feel anything.**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> Again, best in a dark room (but not required).**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> Feel for any sensations.**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:43 PM, John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:**** >>>>> >>>>> A worthwhile improvement for both images:**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1139/lateststrongest4.png**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6029/shooterv54.png**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:32 PM, John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:**** >>>>> >>>>> I sent the wrong image by mistake, the first link should have been >>>>> this one:**** >>>>> >>>>> http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/4411/thelateststrongest2.png**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
