Harry, I am starting to think that Biot Savart might be right too as some of the finer points of relativistic electromagnetim seem to have different expectations for experiments as I mentioned in the homopolar generator thread.
But Biot Savart without relative motion to an aether becomes a ridiculous paradox as you say. So this seems to be evidence for an aether, to be added to the big pile of evidence for the establishment to ignore. John On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 8:34 AM, H Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:10 AM, John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Correction: >> >> If the result of the magnetic force being seen to act on one frame as >> expected from the flux in another leads to a dramatic and non-trivial >> paradox, it is going to be harder to keep up the delusion that such is >> possible. >> > > >> If an observer in another frame expects a force to exist in the charges >> frame so as to match their expectation of a magnetic field, and if that >> would lead to a dramatic and paradoxical result as it would not be existed >> to occur in the static frame. >> >> A very easy real world experiment is the common practice of waving a a >> coil past a permanent magnet and seeing the voltage induced in the coil >> read on a meter. (yes this experiment is the inverse as it is relative >> motion to observe an electric field from relative motion to a magnetic >> field) >> >> To be consistent, David would have to argue that if there were a coil >> attached to a volt meter being waved by the permanent magnet, and another >> coil attached to the volt meter that is not moving relative to the magnet, >> that the waving coil that sees an electric field from movement relative to >> the magnetic field would also expect the stationary volt meter to see this >> voltage also, and expect it to be deflected. >> >> Now it is easy to move your head with the waving coil, if you see a >> voltage induced in the non moving coil when you wave your head and not when >> you don't, I will be very very impressed and amazed. >> >> But I think we both know that no such effect exists. >> And if it does not exist in the magnetic to electric, it won't exist in >> electric to magnetic. >> >> John >> >> > yes, drama can be a useful device to bring attention to a paradox, but the > paradox does not occur in the case of magnet moving past a coil. That > concerns Faraday's law of induction which is distinct from the Biot Savart > Law for charged particles. I have given it some thought, and the only way > to that the Biot Savart Law for charged particles can be understood > non-paradoxically is by way of some kind of aether. In other words a > magnetic force will appear *if* the particles are moving wrt to an aether. > > Harry > >
