Dear Susan,
You wrote: It is just that the term itself is derived from
Christianity.
Well, I'm not convinced it didn't originate with
Baha'u'llah... OK, call me a die-hard! ; )
The Guardian translated Gleanings, published in 1952. So,
conceding that the actual phrase originated with him
In a sense, if we look deeply, and carefully, with a sense of the Sacred in
our heart we find Progressive Revelation adumbrated/anticipated/ alluded to
in all the Holy Books.
1] Hinduism
Krishna has promised in the Bhagavad Gita that whenever righteousness is on
the decline, and unrighteousness
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 07:47:12 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
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The French translation is very similar to a Passage from the Writings which
is recorded in the Promised Day is Come and I will append that so that you
will see dear Gilberto most clearly the difference [ie the
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 00:48:46 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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But the Bahai faith isn't completely dissimilar to those groups. I
think about A thief in the night and the related
Never mind. Joachim gets 1260 from the 42 weeks of Daniel. Which I
think is the same as the Millerites and Sears. So all of this isn't
really independent confirmation. It all just depends on how you read
the Biblical prophecy.
And over the centuries different groups have read the exact same
Gilberto,
At 10:28 AM 12/21/2004, you wrote:
So all of this isn't really independent confirmation. It all just depends on
how you read the Biblical prophecy.
`Abdu'l-Baha was reported to have said:
The texts of the Holy Books are all symbolical, needing authoritative
interpretation.
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Gilberto,
At 10:28 AM 12/21/2004, you wrote:
So all of this isn't really independent confirmation. It all just depends
on how you read the Biblical prophecy.
`Abdu'l-Baha was reported to have said:
The texts of the
Do you know how he came up with his prediction? (I don't).
Dear Gilberto,
Yeah, if you read the Book of Revelations there are constant references to
one thousand two hundred and sixty days. There are other references to 3 1/2
days which also figure out to 1260 if you take each day to represent a
In order to get 1260 years from 3 1/2 days, you have to do a double
days-to-years conversion. First you change 3 1/2 days to 3 1/2 years. Then
you make 3 1/2 years (1260 days) into 1260 years.
Dear Mark,
Yes, of course. But if you read the Book of Revelations it becomes pretty
clear that the two
Gilberto,
At 11:07 AM 12/21/2004, you wrote:
That seems like a really counter-intuitive juxtaposition of ideas. If the
scriptures are just inkblots which can mean anything, then it doesn't makes
sense that an authority can come in and tell you what they mean.
I think it indicates that,
Hi, Susan,
At 12:01 PM 12/21/2004, you wrote:
Yes, of course. But if you read the Book of Revelations it becomes pretty
clear that the two numbers are used interchangeably and Abdu'l-Baha was
hardly the first person to notice this.
A lot of numbers, such as 12 and 40, are repeated in the texts
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From: Khazeh Fananapazir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 4:46 AM
Subject: RE: Progressive Revelation
In a sense, if we look deeply, and carefully, with a sense of the Sacred in
our heart we find Progressive
A lot of numbers, such as 12 and 40, are repeated in the texts of the
Bible. However, they are used in different contexts.
Yes, I agree. What I am suggesting is that 1260 and 3 1/2 were really
interchangeable. And in this case, they are used in the same context.
warmest, Susan
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:46:21 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
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In a sense, if we look deeply, and carefully, with a sense of the Sacred in
our heart we find Progressive Revelation adumbrated/anticipated/ alluded to
in all the Holy Books.
Do you have a specific definition of
|Do you have a specific definition of Progressive Revelation
|that one can refer to? Because looking at the passage you
|quote in the Quran:
Sure, here it is:
http://studycircle.angeltowns.com/progressive.htm
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So in your opinion, khazeh, are there any divines who guide their people
as described?
Dear Gilberto
I feel that God is bringing you closer to my heart with every letter which
you post on these important themes. I just wish to say that I appreciate
your time and effort in sorting out these
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 00:02:03 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
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So in your opinion, khazeh, are there any divines who guide their people
as described?
Dear Gilberto
I feel that God is bringing you closer to my heart with every letter which
you post on these important
Gilberto:
I'm not sure I've read enough of Bahaullah's writings to say that he
gives a particularly deep understanding. Some Bahai interpretations of
Quranic passages I don't find terribly satisfying or super-deep. I
think there are Muslim scholars, especially Sufis and
Dear Rich, I highly respect what you said and would agree with alot of it.
Just a few issues around the question of Biblical corruption:
[2.79] Woe, then, to those who write the
book with their hands and
then say: This is from Allah, so that they may
take for it a small
price; therefore woe
In a message dated 12/21/2004 9:31:07 PM Central Standard Time,
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For example,
Bahais say that an important principle of the faith isgender equality. But
when I discover all the different ways that theBahai faith makes
distinctions between men and women it
In a message dated 12/21/2004 10:17:55 PM Central Standard Time,
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Dear Scott,
What are you talking about? The Hands did not make any decision that
women could not serve. That had already been determined by Abdu'l-Baha and
Shoghi Effendi.
I agree to
Gilberto:
Bahais claim that they don't prosyletize. And when I've looked into an
explanation I've been told that it means that they don't threaten
non-Bahais with hellfire for not believing. But then that's exactly
what is found in the writings of the Bab.
Patti:
I agree that there is a problem
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:17:09 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto:
The Bahai faith says that the law of holy war has been blotted from
the book. But then in the Bahai writings I read about the Bahai
concept of righteous warfare.
Those aren't holy wars, Gilberto. A Holy
To just say we believe in absolute gender equality
and leave it at that seems dishonest.
Dear Gilberto,
Somehow you have a knack for overstating the Baha'i position so that it no
longers resembles anything we actually said. The term 'absolute' is yours,
not ours. What we are arguing is that
In a message dated 12/21/2004 11:33:21 PM Central Standard Time,
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Dear Scott.
A lot of people.It was understood that the
Hands were not infallible, nor was their authorityall that clear in
terms of the Covenant.If they had attempted to do something which
Our dear brother Gilberto
[I say our dear Gilberto because in the Name of God I feel very close to you
and your essay today [the first in the thread of Clarification and
Progressive Revelation and Peace] is quite a remarkable one. With every
letter of yours [addressed to my lowly self personally]
Gilberto:
Just a few issues around the question of Biblical corruption:
[2.79] Woe, then, to those who write the
book with their hands and
then say: This is from Allah, so that they may
take for it a small
price; therefore woe to them for what their hands have
written and woe
to them
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In a message dated 12/21/2004 9:31:07 PM Central Standard Time,
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For example, Bahais say that an important principle of the faith is
gender equality. But when I discover all the different ways
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