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From: ltpowers_w...@rochester.rr.com
To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 08:24:12 -0400
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] A cautionary tale
Wow. That's sobering. I'd like to think we don't have it that bad on
WMF sites, but maybe we do
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Moriel Schottlender mor...@gmail.com wrote:
Did this really just happen?
Did we really just read someone suggesting that women are not participating
as much in the mailing list -- with the more-than-subtle suggestion of the
cause being that they didn't feel
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Sent: 22 June 2014 19:05
To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Gendergap] A cautionary tale
Hello,
I found this:
http://www.zdnet.com/quoras-misogyny-problem-a-cautionary-tale-730762/
an interesting read.
Cheers,
Delphine
Hm, we've discussed that author before... oh well.
What I found that could be of use for us: «giving us back our ability to
make boundaries [...] shouldn't let strangers message strangers, and all
sites and apps should allow users to block others. [...] A block should
be across all site
Carol Moore dc, 23/06/2014 06:34:
A lot of women used to be outspoken about all this here when this email
list started, but that stopped after a bunch of guys joined and started
hassling them about it.
SURPRISE!!
By looking at this directory, I can tell that I mostly stopped reading
this
Did this really just happen?
Did we really just read someone suggesting that women are not participating
as much in the mailing list -- with the more-than-subtle suggestion of the
cause being that they didn't feel this group is completely woman-friendly
-- and your response was to remind us what
I'm sorry Derric, but I think the topic of this thread is the notion that
many men, including those in administrator roles (e.g. list moderators)
simply don't even recognize misogyny, and don't recognize the importance of
providing systems by which women (and others, for that matter) can easily
Schottlender
Sent: 23 June 2014 11:23
To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation
of women within Wikimedia projects.
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] A cautionary tale
Did this really just happen?
Did we really just read someone suggesting that women are not participating
Wikimedia projects.
*Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] A cautionary tale
Did this really just happen?
Did we really just read someone suggesting that women are not
participating as much in the mailing list -- with the more-than-subtle
suggestion of the cause being that they didn't feel this group
gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
participation of women within Wikimedia projects.
*Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] A cautionary tale
Did this really just happen?
Did we really just read someone suggesting that women are not
participating as much in the mailing list
MediaWiki's mostly impersonal interaction helps a lot here.
No image avatars, no upvoting or downvoting of comments (something I don't
see the utility of on either Reddit or Quora, FTM). Maybe the features are
what we *don't* have.
Daniel Case
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
The focus on technology here is very important. Right now, there is no
way for Wikimedians to control from whom they receive email this user
emails, or pings through the notification system. We know that both have
been,
Actually, I think there's something to be said for downvoting. Not in the
reddit i disagree sense, but in the slashdot/ meta filter comments
downvoted/flagged past a certain point will be hidden/deleted sense. It
would obviously take a lot of work to make that work within the media wiki
software
On 6/23/2014 12:56 PM, Katherine Casey wrote:
Actually, I think there's something to be said for downvoting. Not in
the reddit i disagree sense, but in the slashdot/ meta filter
comments downvoted/flagged past a certain point will be
hidden/deleted sense. It would obviously take a lot of
On 6/23/2014 11:26 AM, Risker wrote:
I
The focus on technology here is very important. Right now, there is
no way for Wikimedians to control from whom they receive email this
user emails, or pings through the notification system. We know that
both have been, and continue to be, vectors for
Actually, I think there's something to be said for downvoting. Not in the
reddit i disagree sense, but in the slashdot/ meta filter comments
downvoted/flagged past a certain point will be hidden/deleted sense. It would
obviously take a lot of work to make that work within the media wiki
On the popular liberal/progressive website Daily Kos, the equivalent of
downvoting, “hide rec”’ing, is meant to be used only for really offensive or
out-of-line comments. Abusing that function, i.e., by constantly doing it to
the same user or similar opinions reasonably expressed, can lead
* bring back Wikipedia:Wikiquette_assistance since women may not want to got to
WP:ANI for low grade constant nonsense
Would support wholeheartedly.
* take complaints about harassment in general more seriously
Also would support wholeheartedly.
* Have a class action Arbitration on
I agree with Ryan that the wiki etiquette board was not helpful in many
situations largely because people who regularly patrol the board are often
people formerly brought to the board with issues about civility. While the
average editor stays away from this area. So often the discussions are less
Hello,
I found this:
http://www.zdnet.com/quoras-misogyny-problem-a-cautionary-tale-730762/
an interesting read.
Cheers,
Delphine
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On 6/22/2014 7:04 PM, Delphine Ménard wrote:
Hello,
I found this:
http://www.zdnet.com/quoras-misogyny-problem-a-cautionary-tale-730762/
an interesting read.
Cheers,
Delphine
Thanks for this. I wasn't even aware of this site.
There goes the theory that making editors register with
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