just like white people need to teach ourselves how to fight racism by reading and researching without putting the burden on people of color, men need to do the same. the burden is not on women to inform you of the existence of sexism.
and 313 is always an appropriate place to bring up race and racism. we love and talk and write about Black music. and a lot of us are white. we need to be talking about it. it's great to talk about female producers. i'm not one. i'm not a producer. i'm not a dj. i'm a fan. and i'm a writer. i mean, what if we were in a record store, we'd be saying i like this, what do you like, back and forth. so our roll call here is just bigger because there's more people talking. *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.* *ethnomusicologist* *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work>* On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 5:11 PM, christiaan <[email protected]> wrote: > im not crying and when someone is really good, male or female, there’s no > need to fight either. > > > On 18 Aug 2017, at 23:03, Denise Dalphond <[email protected]> > wrote: > > my point is sexism is real and men should be fighting to end it, not > crying that everything's hard for everyone. > > *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.* > *ethnomusicologist* > *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work/>* > > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Peter Bense <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Denise Dalphond < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> "Have any of you ever attended those electronic music events events with >>> *exclusively* female artists? >>> >>> I have. And in a lot of cases it seemed really awkward -- like the >>> reason they were selected as performers was due to their sex/gender over >>> their accomplishments as a performer/musician. (To say nothing of the male >>> patrons weirdly 'gawking' over them, which is also super creepy. A >>> separate issue unto itself.)" >>> >>> You are failing to view those events through the lens of a girl or >>> woman. It is often empowering. >>> >> >> How presumptuous of you? >> >> I went to a number of those events and the other (female) attendees I was >> with were the ones who observed it first. I have been to some that were >> frankly quite objectifying. >> >> >>> And your taste in music does not match someone else's taste. >>> >> >> No shit it doesn't, we're on a list called "313" which itself is about as >> marginal as it gets. >> >> >>> I can imagine a young girl or young woman looking up at the stage, >>> reading the lineup, researching the female artists she liked; that >>> experience is life changing in a sexist world. >>> >>> A roll call is fine. To what end: in order to learn about more artists >>> who are women because patriarchy makes them harder to come by. >>> >> >> I still think it is poor form to not explain what makes them relevant or >> interesting. It is already hard enough to talk about music with words, let >> alone to not use any. >> >> Moreover I don't think I understand the substance of your point about as >> to why the "patriarchy makes them harder to come by." >> >> I think it is hard to get recognized as a musician or producer no matter >> *who* you are or *what* your background is. >> > > >
