Here's the thing. I appreciate difference. Everyone person who makes music has a unique perspective, and it shows up in their music.
The perspective of men has no trouble gaining an audience. It may be getting easier for women to get an audience, but it still isn't easy. If you seek out the women making music, you're helping equalize things a bit. And it doesn't mean you compromise on musical quality by seeking out women artists. In the past 2 years I've bought more music by women than men, and it is meaningful, well made, adventurous music. And while there's no one thing that women bring to their music that's different than what men do, there's always something. So bring on the lists of women. I'll always hear about the men who produce. Bring on the mostly or completely female lineups. The people who actually have the guts to do that are putting on cutting edge, exciting events. But boy they sure seem to offend some people by not having penises on stage. On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 4:18 PM Denise Dalphond <[email protected]> wrote: > Christiaan, I do not spend time educating people about things they should > obviously already know a lot about. > > *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.* > *ethnomusicologist* > *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work>* > > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 5:15 PM, christiaan <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> so are you saying that it is harder for females than males to have >> succes? >> >> on what ground? have you researched and analysed this? do you have >> numbers to prove this? >> > >> >> >> >> On 18 Aug 2017, at 23:11, Holly MacDonald-Korth <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> “I think it is hard to get recognized as a musician or producer no matter >> *who* you are or *what* your background is.” >> >> This is true. But at every step of the process of becoming a producer and >> getting recognized it is more difficult for a female. From learning about >> equipment and what to buy, to having a cohort to learn to produce music >> with, to having a network to submit songs to, to having promoters give you >> opportunities to play, to labels taking you seriously and listening to your >> tracks, to discussions like this. >> >> At each of those steps there are fewer opportunities for females. Just >> because it is *more* difficult for females does not take away from the >> fact that it is difficult for everyone. It is not a zero sum game. >> >> And “patriarchy makes them harder to come by” is basically illustrated in >> my examples above. >> >> *From:* Peter Bense [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] >> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 5:01 PM >> *To:* Denise Dalphond >> *Cc:* list 313 >> *Subject:* Re: Female Producers >> >> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Denise Dalphond < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> "Have any of you ever attended those electronic music events events with >> *exclusively* female artists? >> >> I have. And in a lot of cases it seemed really awkward -- like the >> reason they were selected as performers was due to their sex/gender over >> their accomplishments as a performer/musician. (To say nothing of the male >> patrons weirdly 'gawking' over them, which is also super creepy. A >> separate issue unto itself.)" >> >> You are failing to view those events through the lens of a girl or woman. >> It is often empowering. >> >> How presumptuous of you? >> >> I went to a number of those events and the other (female) attendees I was >> with were the ones who observed it first. I have been to some that were >> frankly quite objectifying. >> >> >> And your taste in music does not match someone else's taste. >> >> >> No shit it doesn't, we're on a list called "313" which itself is about as >> marginal as it gets. >> >> >> I can imagine a young girl or young woman looking up at the stage, >> reading the lineup, researching the female artists she liked; that >> experience is life changing in a sexist world. >> >> A roll call is fine. To what end: in order to learn about more artists >> who are women because patriarchy makes them harder to come by. >> >> >> I still think it is poor form to not explain what makes them relevant or >> interesting. It is already hard enough to talk about music with words, let >> alone to not use any. >> >> Moreover I don't think I understand the substance of your point about as >> to why the "patriarchy makes them harder to come by." >> >> I think it is hard to get recognized as a musician or producer no matter >> *who* you are or *what* your background is. >> >> >>
