Christiaan, I do not spend time educating people about things they should obviously already know a lot about.
*Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.* *ethnomusicologist* *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work>* On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 5:15 PM, christiaan <christi...@societyfools.com> wrote: > so are you saying that it is harder for females than males to have succes? > > on what ground? have you researched and analysed this? do you have numbers > to prove this? > > > > > On 18 Aug 2017, at 23:11, Holly MacDonald-Korth <hko...@jwkorth.com> > wrote: > > “I think it is hard to get recognized as a musician or producer no matter > *who* you are or *what* your background is.” > > This is true. But at every step of the process of becoming a producer and > getting recognized it is more difficult for a female. From learning about > equipment and what to buy, to having a cohort to learn to produce music > with, to having a network to submit songs to, to having promoters give you > opportunities to play, to labels taking you seriously and listening to your > tracks, to discussions like this. > > At each of those steps there are fewer opportunities for females. Just > because it is *more* difficult for females does not take away from the > fact that it is difficult for everyone. It is not a zero sum game. > > And “patriarchy makes them harder to come by” is basically illustrated in > my examples above. > > *From:* Peter Bense [mailto:textur...@gmail.com <textur...@gmail.com>] > *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 5:01 PM > *To:* Denise Dalphond > *Cc:* list 313 > *Subject:* Re: Female Producers > > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Denise Dalphond <denisedalph...@gmail.com> > wrote: > "Have any of you ever attended those electronic music events events with > *exclusively* female artists? > > I have. And in a lot of cases it seemed really awkward -- like the reason > they were selected as performers was due to their sex/gender over their > accomplishments as a performer/musician. (To say nothing of the male > patrons weirdly 'gawking' over them, which is also super creepy. A > separate issue unto itself.)" > > You are failing to view those events through the lens of a girl or woman. > It is often empowering. > > How presumptuous of you? > > I went to a number of those events and the other (female) attendees I was > with were the ones who observed it first. I have been to some that were > frankly quite objectifying. > > > And your taste in music does not match someone else's taste. > > > No shit it doesn't, we're on a list called "313" which itself is about as > marginal as it gets. > > > I can imagine a young girl or young woman looking up at the stage, reading > the lineup, researching the female artists she liked; that experience is > life changing in a sexist world. > > A roll call is fine. To what end: in order to learn about more artists who > are women because patriarchy makes them harder to come by. > > > I still think it is poor form to not explain what makes them relevant or > interesting. It is already hard enough to talk about music with words, let > alone to not use any. > > Moreover I don't think I understand the substance of your point about as > to why the "patriarchy makes them harder to come by." > > I think it is hard to get recognized as a musician or producer no matter > *who* you are or *what* your background is. > > >
