Amen to that Fred. On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 19:28, Fred Heutte <ph...@sunlightdata.com> wrote:
> I'm also basically a lurker these days but a list member since 1994. Also > had the great fortune to meet Lakuti along with Earl Gateshead and the > Flying/Plastic People crew in London 20 years ago -- and saw her play > at the Detroit Artist Test Lab during the festival last year. (damn, that > was > a Throw Down!) She has listings on RA (so many!). > > https://www.residentadvisor.net/dj/lakuti/dates?yr=2020 > > She has been a friend to so many, built so much along the way, opened > doors and kept them open. I hope my good friend decides to stay on > 313, but either way I honor the decision. > > So here is what I have to say: this raises core questions about the > ongoing purpose of this list. If we can't respect each other, why > should any of us continue to subscribe? > > The 313 list has been a valued and even inspirational resource for me > for a quarter century. It has persisted long after most of the other > mid-1990s > mailing lists have faded away. It has enabled lifetime friendships. > > Interaction online exposes different viewpoints and that's actually > beneficial -- as long as we truly demonstrate respect for each other. > Without that, there is no reason to continue. > > peace > > fh > > > > > > ----------------- > >crikey . classic example of how not to built community . > >i am writing to you as a black african queer woman denise who has put a > lot > >into supporting and nurturing a lot of djs and artists . > >and i continue to work hard to support communities within the global music > >network young and old often from marginalized communities who do not get a > >look in , in the current climate in electronic music but yeah carry on > >being tone deaf . > >my last word . thanks for everything to everyone else over the yrs . > >keep supporting music not egos . > >i am out of here . > > > >On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:52, Denise Dalphond <denisedalph...@gmail.com> > >wrote: > > > >> Hey guys, I owe you nothing. You don’t have to like my communication. > I’ll > >> take up as much space as I need. Most people expect women to be quiet. > I’m > >> not. You can read my writing in some published books. It’s all on my > >> website, which is in my signature. Next up is an article on Detroit and > >> resistance in the first Oxford Handbook of Electronic Dance Music. > It’s a > >> pretty big series. > >> > >> I’ve never unsubscribed. This is the 313 list, not the IDM list. > It’s > >> pretty important. I used to never or rarely talk on this list. Now I > speak > >> up more. It’s super patriarchal of everyone to gang up on the woman. > Often, > >> I get private messages of support from subscribers when I speak up on > this > >> list. > >> > >> I’ll email the 313 list any time I have something to contribute. > >> > >> Denise Dalphond > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:45 PM Joe Marougi <jmaro...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >>> Very well said. What’s worse is the lack of remorse. Just empty > >>> “admissions of guilt†> >>> > >>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:42 AM Lerato Khathi < > >>> booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> i do not know you denise but i have been subscribed to this group for > a > >>>> long time therefore i feel that i am a bit qualified to make a > comment .. > >>>> i am a lurker and posted sometimes but only occasionally yrs back . > >>>> i do find though that your approach denise can be very > confrontational > >>>> and can often take up a lot of space . it often feels like the list is > >>>> dormant bar the denise show . > >>>> i am personally not gaining a lot from the list compared to former > >>>> times and will need to unsubscribe shortly because i get no joy from > these > >>>> occasional outbursts . > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:20, Denise Dalphond < > denisedalph...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Well, Kent, nobody knows who’s unsubbing except for you. So maybe > it’s > >>>>> just your family. > >>>>> > >>>>> I wish I had money to go clubbing more often in Detroit. I wish I > had a > >>>>> boyfriend to go clubbing with. But I’m pretty sure I never been > wishin I > >>>>> was Black because then you have to suffer racism. > >>>>> > >>>>> I do love the internet though because I can follow Liquid Sky and > other > >>>>> NYC 90s rave accounts on Instagram and see pics of clubs I used to go > >>>>> raving at in NYC in 1995-1999 when I was going to NYU. Like Twilo, I > forgot > >>>>> about Twilo. And Shelter. And Vinyl. And Roxy. I brought baby powder > for > >>>>> the floor at the Roxy sometimes in my bright blue Adidas backpack, > or my > >>>>> Lisa Frank backpack, cause I was a preppy raver. And the nights, like > >>>>> Konkrete Jungle. > >>>>> > >>>>> Too off topic? Too emotional? I’m so irrational. > >>>>> > >>>>> Denise Dalphond > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:10 PM kent williams < > chaircrus...@gmail.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> The Tom Cox battles were epic, but at the same time, ultimately not > >>>>>> that great for the list. Every time there's a big emotional > flare-up on > >>>>>> 313 people unsubscribe; people I regard as essential members of the > family. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I'm all for people being opinionated, but it would be great if they > >>>>>> were more opinionated about music and less about each other. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:05 AM Denise Dalphond < > >>>>>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I miss when Tom Cox was on the list. Maybe that’s because he > never > >>>>>>> yelled at me. He was more like a mentor 2 me. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You can read all about it in the archives. You can read messages > from > >>>>>>> Dan Sicko, too. In the 313 list archives. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Denise, the woman > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:56 AM Joe Marougi <jmaro...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> That’s fine but why can’t folks tell “certain people†to > chill the f > >>>>>>>> out? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Is it because she’s a woman, hates being white or wishes she was > >>>>>>>> black? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:48 AM kent williams < > >>>>>>>> chaircrus...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I generally just let the 313 list be. Frankly it's been moribund > >>>>>>>>> lately and probably has more subscribers outside of Detroit than > inside; > >>>>>>>>> the flavor is completely different than it was 20 years ago. And > even > >>>>>>>>> typing "20 years ago" about a mailing list feels weird. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I don't know what to think about the Derrick May beefing -- I'm > not > >>>>>>>>> close enough to any of the principles in that fight to know > what's up. I'd > >>>>>>>>> rather that the focus stay on music, and to my mind, it's been > 30 years > >>>>>>>>> since Derrick May's really been musically relevant. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> There are loads of Detroit producers and DJs who are doing great > >>>>>>>>> things now, and I think we've all been remiss to not amplify > those > >>>>>>>>> musicians. There are vital new voices like Ash Lauryn, who > deserve more > >>>>>>>>> attention: > >>>>>>>>> https://undergroundandblack.com/ > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> And it's clear there's a lot of emotional upset and personal > issues > >>>>>>>>> that have spilled onto the list. I don't want to say that's not > >>>>>>>>> appropriate content, but it should be in the context that we're > a group of > >>>>>>>>> friends, widely dispersed geographically, with something in > common.. So keep > >>>>>>>>> in mind you're talking to a friend, and they deserve respect > even if you > >>>>>>>>> disagree with them. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. > >>>>>>> ethnomusicologist > >>>>>>> schoolcraftwax.work > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. > >>>>> ethnomusicologist > >>>>> schoolcraftwax.work > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> > >>>> Lerato Khathi > >>>> http://uzurirecordings.com > >>>> http://uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com > >>>> http://soundcloud.com/uzuri > >>>> Skype : Lakuti > >>>> > >>> -- > >> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. > >> ethnomusicologist > >> schoolcraftwax.work > >> > > > > > >-- > > > >Lerato Khathi > >http://uzurirecordings.com > >http://uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com > >http://soundcloud.com/uzuri > >Skype : Lakuti > > > >
