So I guess there’s the “two wrongs don’t make a right” argument vs “we tried to reply respectfully at first but she keeps replying with hostility while trying to justify her tone”
What I replied earlier that wasn’t copied here in the group was asking why Kent would risk losing many for the sake of accommodating one. Makes no sense whatsoever. There are unwritten rules of conduct in each scenario which she’s clearly in violation of. Lastly I feel that if she was a dude she’d have been 86’d by now (or at least on a last warning regarding her tone). On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:32 PM Mario De Block <madb...@hotmail.com> wrote: > I would also hope mutual respect to be preserved, instead of hostile > egoism, leaking from one quite specific mind openly. > > Hostile and belligerent tones create negative space, leading to members to > hold back or withdraw from any contribution. This list should be about all > we want to know and share on the D. Music and stuff related. But the D. The > one and, can I say, single D, please. No ego should matter here. > > Mario > ------------------------------ > *Van:* ja...@iridite.com <ja...@iridite.com> > *Verzonden:* woensdag 26 februari 2020 20:53 > *Aan:* Fred Heutte <ph...@sunlightdata.com> > *CC:* 313 list <313@hyperreal.org>; Lerato Khathi < > booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com> > *Onderwerp:* Re: Keep it real (and on topic) > > Amen to that Fred. > > On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 19:28, Fred Heutte <ph...@sunlightdata.com> wrote: > > I'm also basically a lurker these days but a list member since 1994. Also > had the great fortune to meet Lakuti along with Earl Gateshead and the > Flying/Plastic People crew in London 20 years ago -- and saw her play > at the Detroit Artist Test Lab during the festival last year. (damn, that > was > a Throw Down!) She has listings on RA (so many!). > > https://www.residentadvisor.net/dj/lakuti/dates?yr=2020 > > She has been a friend to so many, built so much along the way, opened > doors and kept them open. I hope my good friend decides to stay on > 313, but either way I honor the decision. > > So here is what I have to say: this raises core questions about the > ongoing purpose of this list. If we can't respect each other, why > should any of us continue to subscribe? > > The 313 list has been a valued and even inspirational resource for me > for a quarter century. It has persisted long after most of the other > mid-1990s > mailing lists have faded away. It has enabled lifetime friendships. > > Interaction online exposes different viewpoints and that's actually > beneficial -- as long as we truly demonstrate respect for each other. > Without that, there is no reason to continue. > > peace > > fh > > > > > > ----------------- > >crikey . classic example of how not to built community . > >i am writing to you as a black african queer woman denise who has put a > lot > >into supporting and nurturing a lot of djs and artists . > >and i continue to work hard to support communities within the global music > >network young and old often from marginalized communities who do not get a > >look in , in the current climate in electronic music but yeah carry on > >being tone deaf . > >my last word . thanks for everything to everyone else over the yrs . > >keep supporting music not egos . > >i am out of here . > > > >On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:52, Denise Dalphond <denisedalph...@gmail.com> > >wrote: > > > >> Hey guys, I owe you nothing. You don’t have to like my communication. > I’ll > >> take up as much space as I need. Most people expect women to be quiet. > I’m > >> not. You can read my writing in some published books. It’s all on my > >> website, which is in my signature. Next up is an article on Detroit and > >> resistance in the first Oxford Handbook of Electronic Dance Music. > It’s a > >> pretty big series. > >> > >> I’ve never unsubscribed. This is the 313 list, not the IDM list. > It’s > >> pretty important. I used to never or rarely talk on this list. Now I > speak > >> up more. It’s super patriarchal of everyone to gang up on the woman. > Often, > >> I get private messages of support from subscribers when I speak up on > this > >> list. > >> > >> I’ll email the 313 list any time I have something to contribute. > >> > >> Denise Dalphond > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:45 PM Joe Marougi <jmaro...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >>> Very well said. What’s worse is the lack of remorse. Just empty > >>> “admissions of guilt†> >>> > >>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:42 AM Lerato Khathi < > >>> booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> i do not know you denise but i have been subscribed to this group for > a > >>>> long time therefore i feel that i am a bit qualified to make a > comment .. > >>>> i am a lurker and posted sometimes but only occasionally yrs back . > >>>> i do find though that your approach denise can be very > confrontational > >>>> and can often take up a lot of space . it often feels like the list is > >>>> dormant bar the denise show . > >>>> i am personally not gaining a lot from the list compared to former > >>>> times and will need to unsubscribe shortly because i get no joy from > these > >>>> occasional outbursts . > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:20, Denise Dalphond < > denisedalph...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Well, Kent, nobody knows who’s unsubbing except for you. So maybe > it’s > >>>>> just your family. > >>>>> > >>>>> I wish I had money to go clubbing more often in Detroit. I wish I > had a > >>>>> boyfriend to go clubbing with. But I’m pretty sure I never been > wishin I > >>>>> was Black because then you have to suffer racism. > >>>>> > >>>>> I do love the internet though because I can follow Liquid Sky and > other > >>>>> NYC 90s rave accounts on Instagram and see pics of clubs I used to go > >>>>> raving at in NYC in 1995-1999 when I was going to NYU. Like Twilo, I > forgot > >>>>> about Twilo. And Shelter. And Vinyl. And Roxy. I brought baby powder > for > >>>>> the floor at the Roxy sometimes in my bright blue Adidas backpack, > or my > >>>>> Lisa Frank backpack, cause I was a preppy raver. And the nights, like > >>>>> Konkrete Jungle. > >>>>> > >>>>> Too off topic? Too emotional? I’m so irrational. > >>>>> > >>>>> Denise Dalphond > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:10 PM kent williams < > chaircrus...@gmail.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> The Tom Cox battles were epic, but at the same time, ultimately not > >>>>>> that great for the list. Every time there's a big emotional > flare-up on > >>>>>> 313 people unsubscribe; people I regard as essential members of the > family. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I'm all for people being opinionated, but it would be great if they > >>>>>> were more opinionated about music and less about each other. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:05 AM Denise Dalphond < > >>>>>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I miss when Tom Cox was on the list. Maybe that’s because he > never > >>>>>>> yelled at me. He was more like a mentor 2 me. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You can read all about it in the archives. You can read messages > from > >>>>>>> Dan Sicko, too. In the 313 list archives. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Denise, the woman > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:56 AM Joe Marougi <jmaro...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> That’s fine but why can’t folks tell “certain people†to > chill the f > >>>>>>>> out? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Is it because she’s a woman, hates being white or wishes she was > >>>>>>>> black? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:48 AM kent williams < > >>>>>>>> chaircrus...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I generally just let the 313 list be. Frankly it's been moribund > >>>>>>>>> lately and probably has more subscribers outside of Detroit than > inside; > >>>>>>>>> the flavor is completely different than it was 20 years ago. And > even > >>>>>>>>> typing "20 years ago" about a mailing list feels weird. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I don't know what to think about the Derrick May beefing -- I'm > not > >>>>>>>>> close enough to any of the principles in that fight to know > what's up. I'd > >>>>>>>>> rather that the focus stay on music, and to my mind, it's been > 30 years > >>>>>>>>> since Derrick May's really been musically relevant. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> There are loads of Detroit producers and DJs who are doing great > >>>>>>>>> things now, and I think we've all been remiss to not amplify > those > >>>>>>>>> musicians. There are vital new voices like Ash Lauryn, who > deserve more > >>>>>>>>> attention: > >>>>>>>>> https://undergroundandblack.com/ > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> And it's clear there's a lot of emotional upset and personal > issues > >>>>>>>>> that have spilled onto the list. I don't want to say that's not > >>>>>>>>> appropriate content, but it should be in the context that we're > a group of > >>>>>>>>> friends, widely dispersed geographically, with something in > common.. So keep > >>>>>>>>> in mind you're talking to a friend, and they deserve respect > even if you > >>>>>>>>> disagree with them. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. > >>>>>>> ethnomusicologist > >>>>>>> schoolcraftwax.work > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. > >>>>> ethnomusicologist > >>>>> schoolcraftwax.work > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> > >>>> Lerato Khathi > >>>> http://uzurirecordings.com > >>>> http://uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com > >>>> http://soundcloud.com/uzuri > >>>> Skype : Lakuti > >>>> > >>> -- > >> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. > >> ethnomusicologist > >> schoolcraftwax.work > >> > > > > > >-- > > > >Lerato Khathi > >http://uzurirecordings.com > >http://uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com > >http://soundcloud.com/uzuri > >Skype : Lakuti > > > >
