It's the pervasive *negativity *by a few members that is off-putting. On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 10:06 AM The Archiver <[email protected]> wrote:
> Well done Kent. You're doing a great job of letting this list implode. > It's not the first time that you have stood by and let one list member > force others to feel like they have no option but to unsubscribe. > > > > > > *From:* kent williams [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* 28 February 2020 03:41 > *To:* DJ Shiva <[email protected]>; list 313 <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: Keep it real (and on topic) > > > > Would be sad to see you go. But it's up to you. Instructions here: > http://music.hyperreal.org/lists/313/02.html > > > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 7:59 PM DJ Shiva <[email protected]> wrote: > > "She could have been any of the 100+ genders she probably believes in and > it wouldn’t matter. " > > Mmmmhmmmm, sure Jan. You tell me everything I need to know about your > attitude toward gender right there. > > For the love of my sanity will someone unsubscribe me from this list? > > > Lisa > http://www.noncompliantmusic.com > http://www.soundcloud.com/noncompliant1 > > -------------------------------------------------------- > "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I > can hear her breathing." - Arundhati Roy > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:58 PM Joe Marougi <[email protected]> wrote: > > Appreciate the reply Jodie, > > > > I’m gonna go out on what I feel is not too far of a limb by saying you’re > probably the only one here that sees her “apologies” as not being > backhanded. > > > > Please don’t deflect by trying to bring in women’s voices etc because > that’s not the point we are discussing. She could have been any of the > 100+ genders she probably believes in and it wouldn’t matter. > > > > If you can’t see that most here are doing their best to “tolerate” her > then I don’t now what to tell you. > > > > We shouldn’t have to barely tolerate anyone here. Especially if they are > not at least warned to change their tone. > > > > Speaking of Rick, spoke to him today about a conversation around a 3 > chairs party here in SF. > > > > Has everyone here bought my new release yet?? > > :-) > > > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 11:42 AM U&I Design <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I havent chimed in yet, but seeing Joe's email has prompted me to. > > > > "We tried to respond respectfully at first..." Sorry, but I didn't see in > the emails to Denise that there was much respect being given, not at the > start or throughout. > > > > She did apologize for how she reacted and people have continued to go > after her. As for the comment that "if she was a guy she would've been > removed long ago" I have to disagree. I love Tom Cox and I loved the > heated debates he used to get in. Him and I had a few as well. I never got > so touchy that I thought he should be removed from the list. Those threads > and debates back then pushed the envelope much farther than any of the > emails I saw by her did. And in reality, there have been more emails > discussing this than there were that caused this discussion to begin. > > > > Her contribution to the music is undeniable and rather than just write her > off as being hostile, maybe everyone should take stock as to why and what > pushed her to become hostile in the first place. > > > Removing someone that has contributed as much to the musuc as she has > would be a shame. > > > > Just my 2 cents. And Joe, I'm pretty sure Marcellus and Rick would agree > with me on this one. They love the voices of strong opinionated women in > the scene as much as I do. > > > > *Jodie > > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 15:41 Joe Marougi <[email protected]> wrote: > > So I guess there’s the “two wrongs don’t make a right” argument vs “we > tried to reply respectfully at first but she keeps replying with hostility > while trying to justify her tone” > > > > What I replied earlier that wasn’t copied here in the group was asking why > Kent would risk losing many for the sake of accommodating one. Makes no > sense whatsoever. There are unwritten rules of conduct in each scenario > which she’s clearly in violation of. > > > > Lastly I feel that if she was a dude she’d have been 86’d by now (or at > least on a last warning regarding her tone). > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> attention: > >>>>>>>>> https://undergroundandblack.com/ > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> And it's clear there's a lot of emotional upset and personal > issues > >>>>>>>>> that have spilled onto the list. I don't want to say that's not > >>>>>>>>> appropriate content, but it should be in the context that we're > a group of > >>>>>>>>> friends, widely dispersed geographically, with something in > common.. So keep > >>>>>>>>> in mind you're talking to a friend, and they deserve respect > even if you > >>>>>>>>> disagree with them. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. > >>>>>>> ethnomusicologist > >>>>>>> schoolcraftwax.work > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. > >>>>> ethnomusicologist > >>>>> schoolcraftwax.work > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> > >>>> Lerato Khathi > >>>> http://uzurirecordings.com > >>>> http://uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com > >>>> http://soundcloud.com/uzuri > >>>> Skype : Lakuti > >>>> > >>> -- > >> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. > >> ethnomusicologist > >> schoolcraftwax.work > >> > > > > > >-- > > > >Lerato Khathi > >http://uzurirecordings.com > >http://uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com > >http://soundcloud.com/uzuri > >Skype : Lakuti > > > >
