I’ve seen Lerato on this list for some time. Just seen on their Insta that
they’ve been playing back in my old home town in Australia and doing great
things (nice warm fuzzies there). And I welcome what Lerato posts - even if
the emails are few and far between.
I’ve only ever had to block one person on 313 and unfortunately others still
are responding to these posts and most if not all are sick of the bloviation
being spouted.
It’s a crying shame that in a community that’s always been about the music that
someone is causing people to unsub because of their trolling behaviour.
I couldn’t care less where you sit on the gender binary. Your personal
business is your own. I care about whether you’re a good person who has value
to add to a conversation. I’m not seeing that.
As I sit here in Amsterdam airport heading home for another week, I reflect on
the times of the Lowlands list and when 313 had signal and a decent signal to
noise ratio. Now it’s largely spiteful noise. I’m just about to tune out.
>
> On Feb 26, 2020 at 7:00 pm, <Lerato Khathi
> (mailto:booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com)> wrote:
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>
>
> crikey . classic example of how not to built community .
> i am writing to you as a black african queer woman denise who has put a
> lot into supporting and nurturing a lot of djs and artists .
>
> and i continue to work hard to support communities within the global music
> network young and old often from marginalized communities who do not get a
> look in , in the current climate in electronic music but yeah carry on
> being tone deaf .
>
> my last word . thanks for everything to everyone else over the yrs .
>
> keep supporting music not egos .
>
> i am out of here .
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:52, Denise Dalphond <denisedalph...@gmail.com
> (mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com)> wrote:
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> >
> >
> > Hey guys, I owe you nothing. You don’t have to like my communication. I’ll
> > take up as much space as I need. Most people expect women to be quiet. I’m
> > not. You can read my writing in some published books. It’s all on my
> > website, which is in my signature. Next up is an article on Detroit and
> > resistance in the first Oxford Handbook of Electronic Dance Music. It’s a
> > pretty big series.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I’ve never unsubscribed. This is the 313 list, not the IDM list. It’s
> > pretty important. I used to never or rarely talk on this list. Now I speak
> > up more. It’s super patriarchal of everyone to gang up on the woman. Often,
> > I get private messages of support from subscribers when I speak up on this
> > list.
> >
> >
> >
> > I’ll email the 313 list any time I have something to contribute.
> >
> >
> >
> > Denise Dalphond
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:45 PM Joe Marougi <jmaro...@gmail.com
> > (mailto:jmaro...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Very well said. What’s worse is the lack of remorse. Just empty
> > > “admissions of guilt”
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:42 AM Lerato Khathi
> > > <booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com
> > > (mailto:booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com)> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > i do not know you denise but i have been subscribed to this group for
> > > > a long time therefore i feel that i am a bit qualified to make a
> > > > comment .
> > > > i am a lurker and posted sometimes but only occasionally yrs back .
> > > >
> > > > i do find though that your approach denise can be very
> > > > confrontational and can often take up a lot of space . it often feels
> > > > like the list is dormant bar the denise show .
> > > >
> > > > i am personally not gaining a lot from the list compared to former
> > > > times and will need to unsubscribe shortly because i get no joy from
> > > > these occasional outbursts .
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:20, Denise Dalphond
> > > > <denisedalph...@gmail.com (mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, Kent, nobody knows who’s unsubbing except for you. So maybe
> > > > > it’s just your family.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I wish I had money to go clubbing more often in Detroit. I wish I had
> > > > > a boyfriend to go clubbing with. But I’m pretty sure I never been
> > > > > wishin I was Black because then you have to suffer racism.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I do love the internet though because I can follow Liquid Sky and
> > > > > other NYC 90s rave accounts on Instagram and see pics of clubs I used
> > > > > to go raving at in NYC in 1995-1999 when I was going to NYU. Like
> > > > > Twilo, I forgot about Twilo. And Shelter. And Vinyl. And Roxy. I
> > > > > brought baby powder for the floor at the Roxy sometimes in my bright
> > > > > blue Adidas backpack, or my Lisa Frank backpack, cause I was a preppy
> > > > > raver. And the nights, like Konkrete Jungle.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Too off topic? Too emotional? I’m so irrational.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Denise Dalphond
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:10 PM kent williams
> > > > > <chaircrus...@gmail.com (mailto:chaircrus...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Tom Cox battles were epic, but at the same time, ultimately not
> > > > > > that great for the list. Every time there's a big emotional
> > > > > > flare-up on 313 people unsubscribe; people I regard as essential
> > > > > > members of the family.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm all for people being opinionated, but it would be great if
> > > > > > they were more opinionated about music and less about each other.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:05 AM Denise Dalphond
> > > > > > <denisedalph...@gmail.com (mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I miss when Tom Cox was on the list. Maybe that’s because he
> > > > > > > never yelled at me. He was more like a mentor 2 me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can read all about it in the archives. You can read messages
> > > > > > > from Dan Sicko, too. In the 313 list archives.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Denise, the woman
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:56 AM Joe Marougi <jmaro...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > (mailto:jmaro...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That’s fine but why can’t folks tell “certain people” to chill
> > > > > > > > the f out?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is it because she’s a woman, hates being white or wishes she
> > > > > > > > was black?
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:48 AM kent williams
> > > > > > > > <chaircrus...@gmail.com (mailto:chaircrus...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I generally just let the 313 list be. Frankly it's been
> > > > > > > > > moribund lately and probably has more subscribers outside of
> > > > > > > > > Detroit than inside; the flavor is completely different than
> > > > > > > > > it was 20 years ago. And even typing "20 years ago" about a
> > > > > > > > > mailing list feels weird.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I don't know what to think about the Derrick May beefing --
> > > > > > > > > I'm not close enough to any of the principles in that fight
> > > > > > > > > to know what's up. I'd rather that the focus stay on
> > > > > > > > > music, and to my mind, it's been 30 years since Derrick May's
> > > > > > > > > really been musically relevant.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There are loads of Detroit producers and DJs who are doing
> > > > > > > > > great things now, and I think we've all been remiss to not
> > > > > > > > > amplify those musicians. There are vital new voices like
> > > > > > > > > Ash Lauryn, who deserve more attention:
> > > > > > > > > https://undergroundandblack.com/
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And it's clear there's a lot of emotional upset and personal
> > > > > > > > > issues that have spilled onto the list. I don't want to
> > > > > > > > > say that's not appropriate content, but it should be in the
> > > > > > > > > context that we're a group of friends, widely dispersed
> > > > > > > > > geographically, with something in common. So keep in mind
> > > > > > > > > you're talking to a friend, and they deserve respect even if
> > > > > > > > > you disagree with them. --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> > > > > > > ethnomusicologist
> > > > > > > schoolcraftwax.work (http://schoolcraftwax.work) --
> > > > >
> > > > > Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> > > > > ethnomusicologist
> > > > > schoolcraftwax.work (http://schoolcraftwax.work)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lerato Khathi
> > > > http://uzurirecordings.com
> > > > http://uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com
> > > > http://soundcloud.com/uzuri
> > > > Skype : Lakuti
> > > > --
> >
> > Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> > ethnomusicologist
> > schoolcraftwax.work (http://schoolcraftwax.work)
>
>
> --
>
>
> Lerato Khathi
> http://uzurirecordings.com
> http://uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com
> http://soundcloud.com/uzuri
> Skype : Lakuti
>
