But the down side is that a lot of messages don't make it to the list, because somebody forgets to use reply all... I know this to be true, because I did it several times just today :P
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 5:35 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > The list was changed so that the reply email address was the person that > sent the message. > > This means when (not if because we all know someone here has and will do > it) someone sets a vacation auto responder it doesn't blast the list. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 5:33 PM, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote: > >> I don't know if it's how the list is sending out or something that >> changed with Thunderbird but "reply-list" is now only reply-all for this >> message, but on the topic of 48v vs 24v there are a lot more solutions in >> ac-dc for 24v consumer level than 48v. and when 48v comes up most >> manufacturers instantly do 4x pricing it seems... >> >> On 06/21/2018 01:14 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >> >>> Just think how small of wire you could use with 5K... >>> >>> Okay, yeah, there would be some other problems that would kind of make >>> that not worth it. 48V seems to be a pretty good compromise, there aren't >>> really any different safety concerns between 24v and 48v, so I don't really >>> see a good argument for anything less than 48v, other than that it's what >>> we've been using for years... which isn't really that good of an argument, >>> when you think about it. >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 3:02 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto: >>> ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Well my solar string inverters are 1K DC. >>> >>> Yep, if efficiency is the concern 5K would be good if you are >>> hauling the energy any distance at all. >>> Long distance transmission lines go up to 1 MV. >>> >>> But safety comes into play at some point. 48 volts is still >>> considered low voltage, less rules and regs and almost zero shock >>> hazard. I cannot feel 48. Some can. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews >>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 1:59 PM >>> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz >>> >>> >>> Ok, 5K volt then.. >>> >>> On 06/21/2018 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Higher is always better. >>> Wires are smaller. >>> Everything is more efficient. >>> Everything runs cooler. >>> Less voltage drop. >>> Less power loss in conductors. >>> Sometimes simplifies the design of the load device. >>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 21, 2018 12:17 PM >>> *To:* Chuck McCown >>> *Cc:* Mathew Howard ; AFMUG >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz >>> In a perfect world it would all be 100% 48v (or hell even 100% >>> 24v) but the only rule of standards is that there are no >>> standards. >>> See XKCD 927 - https://xkcd.com/927/ >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 2:10 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com >>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Nice to see the smaller players learning how to put on >>> their big boy >>> pants and join the ranks of carrier grade vendors. >>> *From:* Mathew Howard >>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 21, 2018 12:08 PM >>> *To:* Josh Luthman >>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown ; AFMUG >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically >>> 2ghz >>> Well, MikroTik does have 48v now (the hEX PoE/PowerBox Pro >>> will take >>> up to 57 volts), but it's only one or the other, it doesn't >>> do any >>> voltage conversion. But what I've been doing at some sites >>> is >>> something like using one PowerBox Pro to feed all the 24v >>> only gear, >>> and a second one to feed the 48v gear. >>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman >>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Agreed. >>> EdgePoint does 48v only but has the outdoor part. >>> Netonix does 24v and 48v but doesn't have any outdoor >>> capability >>> (enclosures would have to be ridiculous for the 12 >>> port+) >>> Mikrotik only has 4 ports and 24v only. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> >>> < >>> https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>> < >>> https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>> >> >>> Suite 1337 >>> >>> < >>> https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>> < >>> https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>> >> >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> < >>> https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>> < >>> https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>> >> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 2:01 PM, Mathew Howard >>> <mhoward...@gmail.com <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Yeah, that's the easiest compromise at this point. >>> What I'd like, is a box that I can connect a power >>> supply to >>> (whether that's 48v, or 24v, I don't care) that >>> gives my a >>> 48v and a 24v output, and has another connection for >>> batteries and it deals with feeding the batteries >>> the >>> correct voltages and current. Whether that's 12v, >>> 24v or 48v >>> batteries, I don't really care... although I'd >>> prefer 12v or >>> 24v so can use a smaller number of bigger >>> batteries, if I >>> want to. >>> Ideally, Forrest would build this, so I could just >>> plug it >>> into the SiteMonitors that are already there, and >>> be able to >>> monitor and control it as well. >>> Of course I can buy all the parts separately to do >>> the same >>> thing, but having a pre-built box to do the job >>> would be a >>> lot cleaner. >>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 12:52 PM, Josh Luthman >>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: >>> >>> It was 48v >>> Then it was mostly 24v >>> Now it's going 48v >>> Just give it a little bit, it'll go back to 24v. >>> I'd rather get a power supply doing 26v to fix >>> my >>> problem in 2 minutes than start changing things >>> to 48v >>> which would blow so much stuff up (epmp non >>> gps, ubnt M >>> gear, half the Mikrotiks) >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> >>> < >>> https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>> < >>> https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>> >> >>> Suite 1337 >>> >>> < >>> https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>> < >>> https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>> >> >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> < >>> https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>> < >>> https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>> >> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 1:05 PM, Mathew Howard >>> <mhoward...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> No, there's not really a good reason, it >>> just means >>> you have an extra part to deal with. >>> We still use UBNT for our 2.4ghz stuff, but >>> those >>> are the only radios that won't run off 48v >>> on most >>> of our new sites, so I've done some that >>> are 48v >>> only and just use those things on the >>> radios that >>> need them. But if you have more than 1 or 2 >>> things >>> that need 24v, it's generally more >>> practical to just >>> use a bigger voltage converter and run >>> multiple >>> radios off it. >>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:57 AM, >>> <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Yep, that was what I was thinking. >>> So, looks to me like there is no reason >>> not to >>> do 48 volts. >>> *From:* Mathew Howard >>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 21, 2018 10:56 AM >>> *To:* Chuck McCown >>> *Cc:* Dave ; AFMUG >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages >>> again - >>> specifically 2ghz >>> You mean like this? >>> >>> https://www.ubnt.com/accessories/instant-8023af-adapters/ >>> <https://www.ubnt.com/accessories/instant-8023af-adapters/> >>> >>> <https://www.ubnt.com/accessories/instant-8023af-adapters/ >>> <https://www.ubnt.com/accessories/instant-8023af-adapters/>> >>> Or do you have something better in mind? >>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:53 AM, >>> <ch...@wbmfg.com >>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Me too... >>> So, what appetite is there for an >>> inline POE >>> regulator that would convert 48 to >>> 24? >>> *From:* Mathew Howard >>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 21, 2018 >>> 10:50 AM >>> *To:* Dave >>> *Cc:* AFMUG >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP >>> voltages again - >>> specifically 2ghz >>> ugh... I keep forgetting to use >>> reply-to-all... >>> Not every single UBNT radio... all >>> the >>> airfibers will happily take 48v. >>> Mikrotik is >>> finally starting to make most of >>> the new >>> stuff handle 48v (including the >>> PowerBox >>> Pro), but yeah. UBNT is the reason >>> I still >>> have to use 24v on most of our >>> towers... >>> they make a converter you can stick >>> on in >>> line with the radios, but that's >>> kind of a >>> pain if you have more than one or >>> two, and >>> it's an extra part to fail. >>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:46 AM, >>> Dave >>> <dmilho...@wletc.com >>> <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote: >>> >>> They make dental floss for >>> that :) >>> >>> >>> On 06/21/2018 11:39 AM, Josh >>> Luthman wrote: >>> >>> Except for every single >>> Ubnt device >>> and a majority of >>> Mikrotiks.... >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> >>> < >>> https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+%0D%0A++++45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>> < >>> https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+%0D%0A++++45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>> >> >>> Suite 1337 >>> >>> < >>> https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+%0D%0A++++45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>> < >>> https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+%0D%0A++++45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>> >> >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> < >>> https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+%0D%0A++++++Wayne+St+Suite+%0D%0A++++++1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>> < >>> https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+%0D%0A++++++Wayne+St+Suite+%0D%0A++++++1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>> >> >>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at >>> 12:39 PM, Josh >>> Baird <joshba...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> I promise life will be >>> easier if >>> you just use 48V. :) >>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at >>> 12:35 PM, >>> Josh Luthman >>> < >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: >>> >>> I'm trying to use a >>> Powerbox >>> Pro to power up two >>> epmp APs. The 5 GHz is just fine but the >>> 2 GHz is saying >>> current too >>> low. 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