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Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 8:52 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: > But the down side is that a lot of messages don't make it to the list, > because somebody forgets to use reply all... I know this to be true, > because I did it several times just today :P > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 5:35 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: > >> The list was changed so that the reply email address was the person that >> sent the message. >> >> This means when (not if because we all know someone here has and will do >> it) someone sets a vacation auto responder it doesn't blast the list. >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g> >> Suite 1337 >> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g> >> Troy, OH 45373 >> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 5:33 PM, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I don't know if it's how the list is sending out or something that >>> changed with Thunderbird but "reply-list" is now only reply-all for this >>> message, but on the topic of 48v vs 24v there are a lot more solutions in >>> ac-dc for 24v consumer level than 48v. and when 48v comes up most >>> manufacturers instantly do 4x pricing it seems... >>> >>> On 06/21/2018 01:14 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >>> >>>> Just think how small of wire you could use with 5K... >>>> >>>> Okay, yeah, there would be some other problems that would kind of make >>>> that not worth it. 48V seems to be a pretty good compromise, there aren't >>>> really any different safety concerns between 24v and 48v, so I don't really >>>> see a good argument for anything less than 48v, other than that it's what >>>> we've been using for years... which isn't really that good of an argument, >>>> when you think about it. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 3:02 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto: >>>> ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Well my solar string inverters are 1K DC. >>>> >>>> Yep, if efficiency is the concern 5K would be good if you are >>>> hauling the energy any distance at all. >>>> Long distance transmission lines go up to 1 MV. >>>> >>>> But safety comes into play at some point. 48 volts is still >>>> considered low voltage, less rules and regs and almost zero shock >>>> hazard. I cannot feel 48. Some can. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 1:59 PM >>>> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz >>>> >>>> >>>> Ok, 5K volt then.. >>>> >>>> On 06/21/2018 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Higher is always better. >>>> Wires are smaller. >>>> Everything is more efficient. >>>> Everything runs cooler. >>>> Less voltage drop. >>>> Less power loss in conductors. >>>> Sometimes simplifies the design of the load device. >>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 21, 2018 12:17 PM >>>> *To:* Chuck McCown >>>> *Cc:* Mathew Howard ; AFMUG >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz >>>> In a perfect world it would all be 100% 48v (or hell even 100% >>>> 24v) but the only rule of standards is that there are no >>>> standards. >>>> See XKCD 927 - https://xkcd.com/927/ >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+%0D%0A%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+Suite+1337+%0D%0A%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 2:10 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com >>>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Nice to see the smaller players learning how to put on >>>> their big boy >>>> pants and join the ranks of carrier grade vendors. >>>> *From:* Mathew Howard >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 21, 2018 12:08 PM >>>> *To:* Josh Luthman >>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown ; AFMUG >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically >>>> 2ghz >>>> Well, MikroTik does have 48v now (the hEX PoE/PowerBox Pro >>>> will take >>>> up to 57 volts), but it's only one or the other, it doesn't >>>> do any >>>> voltage conversion. But what I've been doing at some sites >>>> is >>>> something like using one PowerBox Pro to feed all the 24v >>>> only gear, >>>> and a second one to feed the 48v gear. >>>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman >>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >>>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Agreed. >>>> EdgePoint does 48v only but has the outdoor part. >>>> Netonix does 24v and 48v but doesn't have any outdoor >>>> capability >>>> (enclosures would have to be ridiculous for the 12 >>>> port+) >>>> Mikrotik only has 4 ports and 24v only. >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St&entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy, >>>> +OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy, >>>> +OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g>> >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy, >>>> +OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy, >>>> +OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g>> >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy, >>>> +OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy, >>>> +OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 2:01 PM, Mathew Howard >>>> <mhoward...@gmail.com <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yeah, that's the easiest compromise at this point. >>>> What I'd like, is a box that I can connect a power >>>> supply to >>>> (whether that's 48v, or 24v, I don't care) that >>>> gives my a >>>> 48v and a 24v output, and has another connection >>>> for >>>> batteries and it deals with feeding the batteries >>>> the >>>> correct voltages and current. Whether that's 12v, >>>> 24v or 48v >>>> batteries, I don't really care... although I'd >>>> prefer 12v or >>>> 24v so can use a smaller number of bigger >>>> batteries, if I >>>> want to. >>>> Ideally, Forrest would build this, so I could just >>>> plug it >>>> into the SiteMonitors that are already there, and >>>> be able to >>>> monitor and control it as well. >>>> Of course I can buy all the parts separately to do >>>> the same >>>> thing, but having a pre-built box to do the job >>>> would be a >>>> lot cleaner. >>>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 12:52 PM, Josh Luthman >>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >>>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> It was 48v >>>> Then it was mostly 24v >>>> Now it's going 48v >>>> Just give it a little bit, it'll go back to >>>> 24v. >>>> I'd rather get a power supply doing 26v to fix >>>> my >>>> problem in 2 minutes than start changing things >>>> to 48v >>>> which would blow so much stuff up (epmp non >>>> gps, ubnt M >>>> gear, half the Mikrotiks) >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St&entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy, >>>> +OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy, >>>> +OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g>> >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy, >>>> +OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy, >>>> +OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g>> >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy, >>>> +OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy, >>>> +OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 1:05 PM, Mathew Howard >>>> <mhoward...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> No, there's not really a good reason, it >>>> just means >>>> you have an extra part to deal with. >>>> We still use UBNT for our 2.4ghz stuff, but >>>> those >>>> are the only radios that won't run off 48v >>>> on most >>>> of our new sites, so I've done some that >>>> are 48v >>>> only and just use those things on the >>>> radios that >>>> need them. But if you have more than 1 or 2 >>>> things >>>> that need 24v, it's generally more >>>> practical to just >>>> use a bigger voltage converter and run >>>> multiple >>>> radios off it. >>>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:57 AM, >>>> <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yep, that was what I was thinking. >>>> So, looks to me like there is no reason >>>> not to >>>> do 48 volts. >>>> *From:* Mathew Howard >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 21, 2018 10:56 >>>> AM >>>> *To:* Chuck McCown >>>> *Cc:* Dave ; AFMUG >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages >>>> again - >>>> specifically 2ghz >>>> You mean like this? >>>> >>>> https://www.ubnt.com/accessories/instant-8023af-adapters/ >>>> <https://www.ubnt.com/accessories/instant-8023af-adapters/> >>>> >>>> <https://www.ubnt.com/accessories/instant-8023af-adapters/ >>>> <https://www.ubnt.com/accessories/instant-8023af-adapters/>> >>>> Or do you have something better in >>>> mind? >>>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:53 AM, >>>> <ch...@wbmfg.com >>>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Me too... >>>> So, what appetite is there for an >>>> inline POE >>>> regulator that would convert 48 to >>>> 24? >>>> *From:* Mathew Howard >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 21, 2018 >>>> 10:50 AM >>>> *To:* Dave >>>> *Cc:* AFMUG >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP >>>> voltages again - >>>> specifically 2ghz >>>> ugh... I keep forgetting to use >>>> reply-to-all... >>>> Not every single UBNT radio... all >>>> the >>>> airfibers will happily take 48v. >>>> Mikrotik is >>>> finally starting to make most of >>>> the new >>>> stuff handle 48v (including the >>>> PowerBox >>>> Pro), but yeah. UBNT is the reason >>>> I still >>>> have to use 24v on most of our >>>> towers... >>>> they make a converter you can stick >>>> on in >>>> line with the radios, but that's >>>> kind of a >>>> pain if you have more than one or >>>> two, and >>>> it's an extra part to fail. >>>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:46 AM, >>>> Dave >>>> <dmilho...@wletc.com >>>> <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> They make dental floss for >>>> that :) >>>> >>>> >>>> On 06/21/2018 11:39 AM, Josh >>>> Luthman wrote: >>>> >>>> Except for every single >>>> Ubnt device >>>> and a majority of >>>> Mikrotiks.... >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St&entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy, >>>> +OH+%0D%0A++++45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy, >>>> +OH+%0D%0A++++45373&entry=gmail&source=g>> >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy, >>>> +OH+%0D%0A++++45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy, >>>> +OH+%0D%0A++++45373&entry=gmail&source=g>> >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+%0D%0A++++++Wayne+St+ >>>> Suite+%0D%0A++++++1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+%0D%0A++++++Wayne+St+ >>>> Suite+%0D%0A++++++1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at >>>> 12:39 PM, Josh >>>> Baird <joshba...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I promise life will be >>>> easier if >>>> you just use 48V. :) >>>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at >>>> 12:35 PM, >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> < >>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >>>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm trying to use a >>>> Powerbox >>>> Pro to power up two >>>> epmp APs. The 5 GHz is just fine but the >>>> 2 GHz is saying >>>> current too >>>> low. Both ports >>>> are getting >>>> 23 volts and the >>>> cables are >>>> <10 feet (from the >>>> Powerbox Pro). >>>> Does anyone know if >>>> the 2ghz >>>> requires more >>>> voltage possibly? >>>> Spec sheet does say >>>> 23 volts >>>> min but it's weird >>>> one powers >>>> (5 ghz) and the >>>> other doesn't. >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: >>>> 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: >>>> 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St&entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy, >>>> +OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy, >>>> +OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g>> >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy, >>>> +OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy, >>>> +OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g>> >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy, >>>> +OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy, >>>> +OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >>>> >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >>>> >>>> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >>>> >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >>>> >>>> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> ------------ >>>> -- AF >>>> mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >>>> >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >>>> >>>> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >>>> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/ >>>> listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >>>> >>>> -- AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >
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