So let's test everyone and move on with business. On Thursday, March 19, 2020, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
> Study in Iceland (which is testing a ton more people than we are) finds > about half of those who test positive were asymptomatic. > > https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/coronavirus-testing-iceland > > > > A small town in Italy tested everyone and found the same thing. And when > they isolated the asymptomatic people, the new cases went to zero. > > https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/scientists- > say-mass-tests-in-italian-town-have-halted-covid-19 > > > > “We were able to contain the outbreak here, because we identified and > eliminated the ‘submerged’ infections and isolated them,” Andrea Crisanti, > an infections expert at Imperial College London, who took part in the Vò > project, told the Financial Times. “That is what makes the difference.” > > The research allowed for the identification of at least six asymptomatic > people who tested positive for Covid-19. ‘‘If these people had not been > discovered,” said the researchers, they would probably have unknowingly > infected other inhabitants. > > “The percentage of infected people, even if asymptomatic, in the > population is very high,” wrote Sergio Romagnani, professor of clinical > immunology at the University of Florence, in a letter to the authorities. > “The isolation of asymptomatics is essential to be able to control the > spread of the virus and the severity of the disease.” > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie > *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 8:38 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies > > > > Yeah, you can't have businesses closed past then or you're going to have > people revolting (myself included). > > > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The isolation can not last more than a few weeks, or maybe a month - month > and a half. At that point, we should have reduced the number of walking > infections without symptoms, and maybe have the ability to actually test > for it. After that, it's a crap shoot. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 3/19/2020 1:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > With "flatten the curve" as your primary tool expected to take years and > people only able to half pay attention for a few weeks, we'll have to find > something else. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> <part15...@gmail.com> > *To: *af@af.afmug.com > *Sent: *Thursday, March 19, 2020 2:54:45 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies > > The "plan" (no jokes please) seems to be short term isolation to try and > flatten the curve. With that, all the infected people not having symptoms > will become immune (to some extent) and no longer be contagious. I don't > think we can keep people bottled up for more than a few weeks. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 3/19/2020 12:49 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > Has anybody laid out what the long term plan is? > > We can't keep everybody at home forever and we can't stop all > international trade and travel so sooner or later the virus has to run it's > course, or so it seems to me. > > I know we're trying to slow down the spread so we don't overwhelm the > hospital capacity and that's great. Are we going to somehow reduce social > isolation over time in a controlled way, or will social isolation end > organically as people get sick of staying home? > > > > On 3/19/2020 3:16 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > I dont know how many times i need to point out this logic > > > > The US is undercounted, thats a given. undercounting does not equate > hidden numbers of magnitude > > > > Heres the logic thats completely being ignored > > > > The deaths associated with COVID19 that werent tested would have been > attributed to flu > > There has been no reported increase in flu deaths per the anticipated > rates this year > > > > The testing that has been done is very promising. Yesterdays counts of > those tested were running around 8 percent positive. This does NOT equate > to 8 percent of the population. The "administration bad, nobody can just go > get a test for curiousity" argument further strengthens this as a promising > number. The ONLY people being tested for the most part, are those in the > very high probability category. So of those assumed to be infected, only 8 > percent of them actually are. > > > > We still havent hit globally the number of infections and deaths from the > swine flu in the US alone. let me reiterate this GLOBALLY TODAY, there are > less sick and dead, than from swine flu in the US ALONE. The current > response is such that has never been seen in the history of the planet. > > > > Inmates are an issue, with a guard and an inmate at rikers island infected > now, we have a national issue. if we dump the prisons, not only do we have > a ton of criminals on the street, we have hundreds of thousands of indigent > on the streets in the middle of a pandemic. (maybe not having locked up > such a percentage of the population in the first place is a whole other OT > rant). Iran dumped 70k inmates on the streets, i cant imagine that having > helped their situation. > > > > Morons on spring break making a point of interacting even more than they > normally would have is illogical enough to eliminate any logic. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:00 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I don't know that Russia's numbers are terribly inaccurate... it's really > just starting to spread there now, and the numbers aren't far off what > other countries reported early on, and the cases they have reported are > almost all in Moscow. They also have much tighter border controls than most > of the world, and they're going on lockdown earlier into the outbreak than > most countries did... so it's not unbelievable that they'd have low numbers > at this point. > > > > But who knows what's really going on in some of these countries... it > certainly wouldn't surprise me if China is lying about their numbers, it > all depends on what they think is in their best interests at this point, > and I don't trust any information from or about North Korea, no matter what > the source is, but the high level of government control over everything in > North Korea could certainly give them an advantage in this situation. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 1:42 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: > > North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Russia, India, Mexico. I heard something on NPR > this morning about mass graves in Iran. It may be years (or never) before > we understand the scope of this. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 3/19/2020 11:37 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > I still believe North Korea has a huge problem that they are covering up. > Especially in the labor camps. Communal sleeping barns etc. No sanitation > facilities. > > > > *From:* Bill Prince > > *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 12:34 PM > > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies > > > > Only if they attribute it properly. There is plenty of data to indicate > that deaths have been incorrectly attributed, > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 3/19/2020 11:09 AM, James Howard wrote: > > the death count is the death count > > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >
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