Q: Why are people that are vaccinated so obsessed with people that aren’t vaccinated?
A: A few reasons: - We are tired of wearing masks - We don't want to get sick (nothing is 100%) - We want open ICU beds in case we need them If you find someone who has had a conversation with their physician and it was recommended that they not getting the vaccine, sobeit. I don't think that happens very often. On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 2:44 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > One question: Should Typhoid Mary have been allowed to just roam free? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 23, 2021, at 1:37 PM, David Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com> > wrote: > > > > Here is what I find particularly challenging about suggesting that folks > who have chosen not to take the vaccine are not that smart. > > > > 1. Folks who do that never talk about that fact that this is not an > FDA approved medicine/vaccine. I took the Moderna vaccine, the paperwork > clearly stated several facts. Among them are: > 1. This is not FDA approved. > 2. This “vaccine” has not been proven to prevent the virus. While > we likely all agree that there is a very good likelihood that this > “vaccine” will help prevent it, it is far from a proven fact. > 2. The argument is, “there should be no reason to think this vaccine > isn’t safe since people aren’t dying from taking the vaccine”. Vaccines > are a risk/reward type of medical treatment. Every medicine you take has > some level of side effect. The vast majority of medicines have such > negligible side effects, that they are considered completely safe. The > FDA approval process exists to ensure we understand the potential of > serious side effects and drug interaction issues. If you are 30 years old > and folks are saying you have to take this experimental drug to prevent > this incredibly small chance of you becoming seriously ill or dying, it > seems like an intelligent thing to say “I am not sure the risk of getting > seriously ill or dying from this disease outweighs the risk of using an > experimental drug”. It used to be that people relied upon a conversation > with their doctor to determine personal risk of disease and use of a > drug. Apparently we no longer do that. We publicly shame people into > using experimental drugs. > 3. Since it is not FDA approved, we don’t have a full understanding of > drug interactions with other medicines folks need to take. We likely > understand the very common medicines, but, certainly not all. We have FDA > approval processes for good reason. If for example, you were under 40 and > were taking seizure control medication, it would be very fair to hold off > on an experimental drug until it is fully understood if the vaccine might > lessen the effectiveness of the seizure control medication. An incredibly > low risk of serious illness or death from the virus could turn into a good > chance of serious injury from seizure. As far as I know data like that is > certainly not available yet. > 4. Why do vaccinated people feel the need to belittle those that have > decided not to get vaccinated by an experimental drug? Does it make them > feel smarter? We have people not getting flu vaccinations every year, and > that is with FDA approved medicine. But now all of a sudden it is OK to > ridicule folks that are making a decision based limited data on an > experimental drug for which the majority of the population has a very low > chance of serious illness or death? And when they do ridicule folks, they > never discuss the facts at hand, or want to have a serious discussion about > the risk/reward of this particular vaccine. Two years from now, with an > FDA approval in place and a full understanding of drug interactions and > effectiveness of the vaccine the conversation might look completely > different. Right now, I believe some very intelligent people are looking > at the risk/reward and saying “not now, but probably some day as this will > become the new yearly flu vaccine”. Until then, my risk of virus related > illness doesn’t warrant a decision to take the vaccine. > 5. Why are people that are vaccinated so obsessed with people that > aren’t vaccinated? For those of us that are vaccinated, we are safe > right? That was the point of taking the vaccine. > 6. Most of the science that seems most accurate right now points to > this being with us permanently like an influenza sort of virus. It will > show up every year with little mutations that will require updates, or > boosters, or yearly covid shots. What ever you want to call them. Is > really so stupid to wait until this is FDA approved before participating? > If we have to do this without FDA approval, why does that process even > exist? > > > > I have always appreciated this list because it is usually very fact > focused, and very good at exploring solutions to problems. While some > lists are very superficial and suffer from pat answers to technical > problems, folks in this list have always tended dig deep and find tangible > information related to the email topic. I get that it is very easy to > joke about the intelligence of those who have made a decision we don’t > agree with, but I don’t believe this topic is nearly that cut and dried. > > > > As Chuck mentioned, unfortunately this is a somewhat political topic. I > don’t understand why, other than the fact that some react more harshly to > being told they have to do something. This should be a scientific > discussion. If definitely shouldn’t be about public shame. We don’t > know the medical situation of those that chose not to participate in an > experimental medical treatment. > > > > Regards, > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of * Chuck McCown via AF > *Sent:* Friday, July 23, 2021 1:02 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political > > > > They could sponsor concerts and barbecues that only admit unvaccinated... > > How can I get that fake news to be picked up by the junk news feeds? > > > > > > *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) > > *Sent:* Friday, July 23, 2021 11:55 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political > > > > I've wondered if it might be a good thing for the liberal side to start > saying "take the vaccine or not, we don't care - in fact we would prefer > that you don't so there are less of you to vote next go around". > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 11:26 AM Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote: > > That assumes IQ==Comon sense. Lots of smart people can be really dumb > when it comes to sports, religon, and politics. It seems a subset of > people have convinced themselves that vaccines, and specifically the covid > vaccines, are somehow a liberal thing. > > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 11:28 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: > > If the covid variants kill only unvaccinated, then global IQ average will > increase, right? Always good when your team wins. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > -- > > - Forrest > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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