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Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 Office # 317-738-0320 Cell/Direct # 317-412-1540 Online: www.surfici.net [ICI] What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Cameras - Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck Macenski Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 4:01 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political Q: Why are people that are vaccinated so obsessed with people that aren’t vaccinated? A: A few reasons: * We are tired of wearing masks * We don't want to get sick (nothing is 100%) * We want open ICU beds in case we need them If you find someone who has had a conversation with their physician and it was recommended that they not getting the vaccine, sobeit. I don't think that happens very often. On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 2:44 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: One question: Should Typhoid Mary have been allowed to just roam free? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2021, at 1:37 PM, David Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com<mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote: Here is what I find particularly challenging about suggesting that folks who have chosen not to take the vaccine are not that smart. 1. Folks who do that never talk about that fact that this is not an FDA approved medicine/vaccine. I took the Moderna vaccine, the paperwork clearly stated several facts. Among them are: * This is not FDA approved. * This “vaccine” has not been proven to prevent the virus. While we likely all agree that there is a very good likelihood that this “vaccine” will help prevent it, it is far from a proven fact. 1. The argument is, “there should be no reason to think this vaccine isn’t safe since people aren’t dying from taking the vaccine”. Vaccines are a risk/reward type of medical treatment. Every medicine you take has some level of side effect. The vast majority of medicines have such negligible side effects, that they are considered completely safe. The FDA approval process exists to ensure we understand the potential of serious side effects and drug interaction issues. If you are 30 years old and folks are saying you have to take this experimental drug to prevent this incredibly small chance of you becoming seriously ill or dying, it seems like an intelligent thing to say “I am not sure the risk of getting seriously ill or dying from this disease outweighs the risk of using an experimental drug”. It used to be that people relied upon a conversation with their doctor to determine personal risk of disease and use of a drug. Apparently we no longer do that. We publicly shame people into using experimental drugs. 2. Since it is not FDA approved, we don’t have a full understanding of drug interactions with other medicines folks need to take. We likely understand the very common medicines, but, certainly not all. We have FDA approval processes for good reason. If for example, you were under 40 and were taking seizure control medication, it would be very fair to hold off on an experimental drug until it is fully understood if the vaccine might lessen the effectiveness of the seizure control medication. An incredibly low risk of serious illness or death from the virus could turn into a good chance of serious injury from seizure. As far as I know data like that is certainly not available yet. 3. Why do vaccinated people feel the need to belittle those that have decided not to get vaccinated by an experimental drug? Does it make them feel smarter? We have people not getting flu vaccinations every year, and that is with FDA approved medicine. But now all of a sudden it is OK to ridicule folks that are making a decision based limited data on an experimental drug for which the majority of the population has a very low chance of serious illness or death? And when they do ridicule folks, they never discuss the facts at hand, or want to have a serious discussion about the risk/reward of this particular vaccine. Two years from now, with an FDA approval in place and a full understanding of drug interactions and effectiveness of the vaccine the conversation might look completely different. Right now, I believe some very intelligent people are looking at the risk/reward and saying “not now, but probably some day as this will become the new yearly flu vaccine”. Until then, my risk of virus related illness doesn’t warrant a decision to take the vaccine. 4. Why are people that are vaccinated so obsessed with people that aren’t vaccinated? For those of us that are vaccinated, we are safe right? That was the point of taking the vaccine. 5. Most of the science that seems most accurate right now points to this being with us permanently like an influenza sort of virus. It will show up every year with little mutations that will require updates, or boosters, or yearly covid shots. What ever you want to call them. Is really so stupid to wait until this is FDA approved before participating? If we have to do this without FDA approval, why does that process even exist? I have always appreciated this list because it is usually very fact focused, and very good at exploring solutions to problems. While some lists are very superficial and suffer from pat answers to technical problems, folks in this list have always tended dig deep and find tangible information related to the email topic. I get that it is very easy to joke about the intelligence of those who have made a decision we don’t agree with, but I don’t believe this topic is nearly that cut and dried. As Chuck mentioned, unfortunately this is a somewhat political topic. I don’t understand why, other than the fact that some react more harshly to being told they have to do something. This should be a scientific discussion. If definitely shouldn’t be about public shame. We don’t know the medical situation of those that chose not to participate in an experimental medical treatment. Regards, From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 1:02 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Cc: Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com<mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political They could sponsor concerts and barbecues that only admit unvaccinated... How can I get that fake news to be picked up by the junk news feeds? From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 11:55 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political I've wondered if it might be a good thing for the liberal side to start saying "take the vaccine or not, we don't care - in fact we would prefer that you don't so there are less of you to vote next go around". On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 11:26 AM Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com<mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote: That assumes IQ==Comon sense. Lots of smart people can be really dumb when it comes to sports, religon, and politics. It seems a subset of people have convinced themselves that vaccines, and specifically the covid vaccines, are somehow a liberal thing. On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 11:28 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: If the covid variants kill only unvaccinated, then global IQ average will increase, right? 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