*get On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 3:00 PM Chuck Macenski <ch...@macenski.com> wrote:
> Q: Why are people that are vaccinated so obsessed with people that aren’t > vaccinated? > > A: A few reasons: > > - We are tired of wearing masks > - We don't want to get sick (nothing is 100%) > - We want open ICU beds in case we need them > > If you find someone who has had a conversation with their physician and it > was recommended that they not getting the vaccine, sobeit. I don't think > that happens very often. > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 2:44 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: > >> One question: Should Typhoid Mary have been allowed to just roam free? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 23, 2021, at 1:37 PM, David Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Here is what I find particularly challenging about suggesting that folks >> who have chosen not to take the vaccine are not that smart. >> >> >> >> 1. Folks who do that never talk about that fact that this is not an >> FDA approved medicine/vaccine. I took the Moderna vaccine, the paperwork >> clearly stated several facts. Among them are: >> 1. This is not FDA approved. >> 2. This “vaccine” has not been proven to prevent the virus. >> While we likely all agree that there is a very good likelihood that >> this >> “vaccine” will help prevent it, it is far from a proven fact. >> 2. The argument is, “there should be no reason to think this vaccine >> isn’t safe since people aren’t dying from taking the vaccine”. Vaccines >> are a risk/reward type of medical treatment. Every medicine you take has >> some level of side effect. The vast majority of medicines have such >> negligible side effects, that they are considered completely safe. The >> FDA approval process exists to ensure we understand the potential of >> serious side effects and drug interaction issues. If you are 30 years >> old >> and folks are saying you have to take this experimental drug to prevent >> this incredibly small chance of you becoming seriously ill or dying, it >> seems like an intelligent thing to say “I am not sure the risk of getting >> seriously ill or dying from this disease outweighs the risk of using an >> experimental drug”. It used to be that people relied upon a conversation >> with their doctor to determine personal risk of disease and use of a >> drug. Apparently we no longer do that. We publicly shame people into >> using experimental drugs. >> 3. Since it is not FDA approved, we don’t have a full understanding >> of drug interactions with other medicines folks need to take. We likely >> understand the very common medicines, but, certainly not all. We have >> FDA >> approval processes for good reason. If for example, you were under 40 >> and >> were taking seizure control medication, it would be very fair to hold off >> on an experimental drug until it is fully understood if the vaccine might >> lessen the effectiveness of the seizure control medication. An >> incredibly >> low risk of serious illness or death from the virus could turn into a good >> chance of serious injury from seizure. As far as I know data like that >> is >> certainly not available yet. >> 4. Why do vaccinated people feel the need to belittle those that have >> decided not to get vaccinated by an experimental drug? Does it make >> them >> feel smarter? We have people not getting flu vaccinations every year, >> and >> that is with FDA approved medicine. But now all of a sudden it is OK to >> ridicule folks that are making a decision based limited data on an >> experimental drug for which the majority of the population has a very low >> chance of serious illness or death? And when they do ridicule folks, >> they >> never discuss the facts at hand, or want to have a serious discussion >> about >> the risk/reward of this particular vaccine. Two years from now, with an >> FDA approval in place and a full understanding of drug interactions and >> effectiveness of the vaccine the conversation might look completely >> different. Right now, I believe some very intelligent people are looking >> at the risk/reward and saying “not now, but probably some day as this will >> become the new yearly flu vaccine”. Until then, my risk of virus related >> illness doesn’t warrant a decision to take the vaccine. >> 5. Why are people that are vaccinated so obsessed with people that >> aren’t vaccinated? For those of us that are vaccinated, we are safe >> right? That was the point of taking the vaccine. >> 6. Most of the science that seems most accurate right now points to >> this being with us permanently like an influenza sort of virus. It will >> show up every year with little mutations that will require updates, or >> boosters, or yearly covid shots. What ever you want to call them. >> Is >> really so stupid to wait until this is FDA approved before participating? >> If we have to do this without FDA approval, why does that process even >> exist? >> >> >> >> I have always appreciated this list because it is usually very fact >> focused, and very good at exploring solutions to problems. While some >> lists are very superficial and suffer from pat answers to technical >> problems, folks in this list have always tended dig deep and find tangible >> information related to the email topic. I get that it is very easy to >> joke about the intelligence of those who have made a decision we don’t >> agree with, but I don’t believe this topic is nearly that cut and dried. >> >> >> >> As Chuck mentioned, unfortunately this is a somewhat political topic. I >> don’t understand why, other than the fact that some react more harshly to >> being told they have to do something. This should be a scientific >> discussion. If definitely shouldn’t be about public shame. We don’t >> know the medical situation of those that chose not to participate in an >> experimental medical treatment. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of * Chuck McCown via AF >> *Sent:* Friday, July 23, 2021 1:02 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political >> >> >> >> They could sponsor concerts and barbecues that only admit unvaccinated... >> >> How can I get that fake news to be picked up by the junk news feeds? >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) >> >> *Sent:* Friday, July 23, 2021 11:55 AM >> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political >> >> >> >> I've wondered if it might be a good thing for the liberal side to start >> saying "take the vaccine or not, we don't care - in fact we would prefer >> that you don't so there are less of you to vote next go around". >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 11:26 AM Carl Peterson < >> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >> >> That assumes IQ==Comon sense. Lots of smart people can be really dumb >> when it comes to sports, religon, and politics. It seems a subset of >> people have convinced themselves that vaccines, and specifically the covid >> vaccines, are somehow a liberal thing. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 11:28 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >> wrote: >> >> If the covid variants kill only unvaccinated, then global IQ average will >> increase, right? Always good when your team wins. >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> - Forrest >> ------------------------------ >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >
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