I'm liking the built in DDOS controls. We can do that with our procera as well but it requires some setup.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 2:43:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs We are using Saisei right now. Very similar to Procera but hardware cost is much less because you just purchase a beefy Dell server. Overall cost is less than Procera, especially upfront. We've been very happy with their support team as well with any questions. On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote: > Seisei will be at the show. > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com> > wrote: > >> Anybody used these guys I know they have gone to a few shows. >> >> http://saisei.com/ >> >> >> >> >> Erich Kaiser >> North Central Tower >> er...@northcentraltower.com >> Office: 630-621-4804 >> Cell: 630-777-9291 >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software> >> wrote: >> >>> You've discovered my secret identity >>> >>> On 10/6/2016 12:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>> Wait, is this you? >>> >>> https://simonscat.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >>> Behalf Of *Simon Westlake >>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 6, 2016 12:37 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>> >>> >>> >>> I try to spend at least 30 minutes a day on mailing lists to maintain >>> some illusion of human contact. I found myself ranting at the bus stop >>> about Android vs iPhones the other day, so thought I'd better start talking >>> to some humans rather than my cat.. >>> >>> On 10/6/2016 12:01 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>> >>> LOL. I'll consider a demo, but I'll pester their support staff about >>> config. >>> I'd rather you spend your time on Sonar. What are you doing chatting on >>> this mailing list anyway? Get back to work man! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> >>> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> >>> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:59:08 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>> >>> >>> >>> You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with stuff like that, some >>> solutions are more complex than others, but you get a ton of tools. They'll >>> send you an eval unit for 30 days to try out, so it's pretty easy to see if >>> it works for you. Let me know if you want to give one a shot and I can set >>> it up for you. >>> >>> On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>> >>> Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints. It's more about people who's >>> monthly usage exceeds 600GB. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> >>> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> >>> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>> >>> >>> >>> To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in there, like linking >>> together initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and then tying them to >>> subsequent HTTPS connections. The biggest problem with torrenters is that >>> some portion of them are smart enough to use a VPN, which leaves you with >>> little recourse. But you're probably not getting any DMCA complaints about >>> them anyway.. >>> >>> On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>> >>> That's good to know. >>> >>> Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? >>> >>> >>> >>> I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of the >>> mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work (anymore?) and the >>> ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. I don't know if it's a >>> $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep getting asked about. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> >>> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> >>> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying list on >>> most of the licensing, and they won't support the hardware if it fails. >>> They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so as well (it's still supported for >>> a while afterwards, but that's the typical cycle,) so you generally want to >>> be buying a newer chassis. >>> >>> Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a bigger >>> chassis, but it generally doesn't make sense. >>> >>> On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>> >>> I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with Barracuda >>> or Procera or both. >>> Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support >>> contract/license for it? >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net >>> <r...@triadwireless.net> >>> To: mailto:af@afmug.com <af@afmug.com> mailto:af@afmug.com >>> <af@afmug.com> >>> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:42:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>> >>> >>> You can't buy a unit that was original purchased by one company, sell it >>> to another company and then they get a new license. Basically, if I bought >>> Gino's unit, I would have to pay him and he would pay Barracuda. >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf >>> Of Paul Stewart >>> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:41 AM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>> >>> Is that because you didn’t have a service contract with them? Just >>> curious … or is it that their license is non transferable same as some >>> other companies (ie. Cisco) >>> >>> >>> On Oct 6, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net >>> <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: >>> >>> And they won't let you transfer it to another company either. >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] On >>> Behalf Of Steve >>> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 8:03 AM >>> To: af >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>> >>> No we tried to reactivate a license on a unit we decommissioned and >>> they charged us pretty much the full price as if it were brand new. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net >>> <r...@triadwireless.net> >>> To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com <af@afmug.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 11:00:27 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>> >>> Unfortunately they won’t let me transfer license or we would be >>> talking. >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] On >>> Behalf Of Gino Villarini >>> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:53 AM >>> To: Animal Farm >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>> >>> I have a base unit for sale , offf list for more details... >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net >>> mailto:r...@triadwireless.net <r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: >>> That's not bad. Barracuda costs more than that for a Gig. >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>ma >>> ilto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Steve >>> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:24 AM >>> To: af >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>> >>> Arm, Leg and throw in some fingers.. Expect $15k minimum to start. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoffett@gmail.commailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com >>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com>> >>> To: "af" <af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com <af@afmug.com>> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:16:36 AM >>> Subject: [AFMUG] Procera costs >>> >>> What's the lower end Procera appliance cost? Are there recurring >>> costs? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Simon Westlake >>> >>> Skype: Simon_Sonar >>> >>> Email: simon@sonar.software >>> >>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 >>> >>> --------------------------- >>> >>> Sonar Software Inc >>> >>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS >>> >>> https://sonar.software/ >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Simon Westlake >>> >>> Skype: Simon_Sonar >>> >>> Email: simon@sonar.software >>> >>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 >>> >>> --------------------------- >>> >>> Sonar Software Inc >>> >>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS >>> >>> https://sonar.software/ >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Simon Westlake >>> >>> Skype: Simon_Sonar >>> >>> Email: simon@sonar.software >>> >>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 >>> >>> --------------------------- >>> >>> Sonar Software Inc >>> >>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS >>> >>> https://sonar.software >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Simon Westlake >>> >>> Skype: Simon_Sonar >>> >>> Email: simon@sonar.software >>> >>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 >>> >>> --------------------------- >>> >>> Sonar Software Inc >>> >>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS >>> >>> https://sonar.software >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Simon Westlake >>> Skype: Simon_Sonar >>> Email: simon@sonar.software >>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 >>> --------------------------- >>> Sonar Software Inc >>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software >>> >>> >> > -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>
