what he said! you pay me, i pay them On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Sam Morris <w...@csilogan.com> wrote:
> Tried to request a demo and was met with this... But the product do sound > like it's worth looking into. > > On 10/6/2016 1:43 PM, Darin Steffl wrote: > >> We are using Saisei right now. Very similar to Procera but hardware cost >> is much less because you just purchase a beefy Dell server. Overall cost >> is less than Procera, especially upfront. >> >> We've been very happy with their support team as well with any questions. >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com >> <mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote: >> >> Seisei will be at the show. >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Erich Kaiser >> <er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>> >> wrote: >> >> Anybody used these guys I know they have gone to a few shows. >> >> http://saisei.com/ >> >> >> >> >> Erich Kaiser >> North Central Tower >> er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> >> Office: 630-621-4804 <tel:630-621-4804> >> Cell: 630-777-9291 <tel:630-777-9291> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Simon Westlake >> <simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> wrote: >> >> You've discovered my secret identity >> >> On 10/6/2016 12:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >>> >>> Wait, is this you?____ >>> >>> https://simonscat.com/____ >>> >>> __ __ >>> >>> __ __ >>> >>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of >>> *Simon Westlake >>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 6, 2016 12:37 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs____ >>> >>> __ __ >>> >>> I try to spend at least 30 minutes a day on mailing lists >>> to maintain some illusion of human contact. I found myself >>> ranting at the bus stop about Android vs iPhones the other >>> day, so thought I'd better start talking to some humans >>> rather than my cat..____ >>> >>> On 10/6/2016 12:01 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:____ >>> >>> LOL. I'll consider a demo, but I'll pester their >>> support staff about config. >>> I'd rather you spend your time on Sonar. What are you >>> doing chatting on this mailing list anyway? Get back >>> to work man!____ >>> >>> ____ >>> >>> ____ >>> >>> ____ >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------____ >>> >>> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software >>> <mailto:simon@sonar.software>>____ >>> >>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>____ >>> >>> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:59:08 PM____ >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs____ >>> >>> ____ >>> >>> You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with stuff >>> like that, some solutions are more complex than >>> others, but you get a ton of tools. They'll send >>> you an eval unit for 30 days to try out, so it's >>> pretty easy to see if it works for you. Let me >>> know if you want to give one a shot and I can set >>> it up for you.____ >>> >>> On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:____ >>> >>> Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints. >>> It's more about people who's monthly usage >>> exceeds 600GB. ____ >>> >>> ____ >>> >>> ____ >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------____ >>> >>> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software >>> <mailto:simon@sonar.software>>____ >>> >>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>____ >>> >>> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM____ >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs____ >>> >>> ____ >>> >>> To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of >>> 'magic' in there, like linking together >>> initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and >>> then tying them to subsequent HTTPS >>> connections. The biggest problem with >>> torrenters is that some portion of them >>> are smart enough to use a VPN, which >>> leaves you with little recourse. But >>> you're probably not getting any DMCA >>> complaints about them anyway..____ >>> >>> On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett >>> wrote:____ >>> >>> That's good to know. ____ >>> >>> Can it reliably tag and limit torrent >>> traffic? ____ >>> >>> ____ >>> >>> I've been looking at methods to do >>> that in Mikrotik and a lot of the >>> mangle rule examples I see online >>> don't actually work (anymore?) and the >>> ones that do work seem too broad for >>> comfort. I don't know if it's a >>> $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I >>> keep getting asked about.____ >>> >>> ____ >>> >>> ____ >>> >>> ____ >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------____ >>> >>> From: "Simon Westlake" >>> <simon@sonar.software >>> <mailto:simon@sonar.software>>____ >>> >>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com >>> >____ >>> >>> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM____ >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs____ >>> >>> ____ >>> >>> Yes, but most of the time it isn't >>> worth it. You end up paying list >>> on most of the licensing, and they >>> won't support the hardware if it >>> fails. They EOL the hardware every >>> 5 years or so as well (it's still >>> supported for a while afterwards, >>> but that's the typical cycle,) so >>> you generally want to be buying a >>> newer chassis. >>> >>> Sometimes it's worth buying a used >>> one, especially if it's a bigger >>> chassis, but it generally doesn't >>> make sense.____ >>> >>> On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam >>> Moffett wrote:____ >>> >>> I lost track of whether the >>> license transferal issue was >>> with Barracuda or Procera or >>> both. >>> Could I buy a pre-chewed >>> Procera and then just buy the >>> support contract/license for it? >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Rory Conaway" >>> mailto:r...@triadwireless.net >>> To: mailto:af@afmug.com >>> mailto:af@afmug.com >>> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:42:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera >>> costs >>> >>> >>> ____ >>> >>> You can't buy a unit that >>> was original purchased by >>> one company, sell it to >>> another company and then >>> they get a new license. >>> Basically, if I bought >>> Gino's unit, I would have >>> to pay him and he would >>> pay Barracuda. >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Af >>> [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com >>> ] >>> On Behalf Of Paul Stewart >>> Sent: Thursday, October 6, >>> 2016 9:41 AM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] >>> Procera costs >>> >>> Is that because you didn’t >>> have a service contract >>> with them? Just curious … >>> or is it that their >>> license is non >>> transferable same as some >>> other companies (ie. Cisco) >>> >>> >>> ____ >>> >>> On Oct 6, 2016, at >>> 12:19 PM, Rory Conaway >>> mailto: >>> r...@triadwireless.net >>> wrote: >>> >>> And they won't let >>> you transfer it to >>> another company either. >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> >>> -----Original >>> Message----- >>> From: Af >>> [mailto: >>> af-boun...@afmug.com] >>> On Behalf Of Steve >>> Sent: Thursday, >>> October 6, 2016 8:03 AM >>> To: af >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] >>> Procera costs >>> >>> No we tried to >>> reactivate a license >>> on a unit we >>> decommissioned and >>> they charged us pretty >>> much the full price as >>> if it were brand new. >>> >>> ----- Original >>> Message ----- >>> From: "Rory Conaway" >>> mailto: >>> r...@triadwireless.net >>> >>> To: "af" >>> mailto:af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Thursday, >>> October 6, 2016 >>> 11:00:27 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] >>> Procera costs >>> >>> Unfortunately they >>> won’t let me transfer >>> license or we would be >>> talking. >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> From: Af >>> [mailto: >>> af-boun...@afmug.com] >>> On Behalf Of Gino >>> Villarini >>> Sent: Thursday, >>> October 6, 2016 7:53 AM >>> To: Animal Farm >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] >>> Procera costs >>> >>> I have a base unit >>> for sale , offf list >>> for more details... >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 >>> at 10:29 AM, Rory >>> Conaway >>> <r...@triadwireless.net >>> <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>mailto:r...@triadwireless.net >>> <mailto: >>> r...@triadwireless.net>> >>> wrote: >>> That's not bad. >>> Barracuda costs more >>> than that for a Gig. >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> -----Original >>> Message----- >>> From: Af >>> [mailto: >>> af-bounces@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com >>> <mailto: >>> af-boun...@afmug.com>] >>> On Behalf Of Steve >>> Sent: Thursday, >>> October 6, 2016 7:24 AM >>> To: af >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] >>> Procera costs >>> >>> Arm, Leg and throw >>> in some fingers.. >>> Expect $15k minimum to >>> start. >>> >>> ----- Original >>> Message ----- >>> From: "Adam Moffett" >>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com >>> <mailto: >>> dmmoff...@gmail.com>mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com >>> <mailto: >>> dmmoff...@gmail.com>> >>> >>> To: "af" >>> <af@afmug.com >>> <mailto:af@afmug.com >>> >mailto:af@afmug.com >>> <mailto:af@afmug.com>> >>> Sent: Thursday, >>> October 6, 2016 >>> 10:16:36 AM >>> Subject: [AFMUG] >>> Procera costs >>> >>> What's the lower end >>> Procera appliance >>> cost? Are there >>> recurring costs? ____ >>> >>> __ __ >>> >>> __ __ >>> >>> >>> >>> ____ >>> >>> -- ____ >>> >>> Simon Westlake____ >>> >>> Skype: Simon_Sonar____ >>> >>> Email:simon@sonar.software >>> <mailto:simon@sonar.software>____ >>> >>> Phone:(702) 447-1247 >>> <tel:%28702%29%20447-1247>____ >>> >>> ---------------------------____ >>> >>> Sonar Software Inc____ >>> >>> The next generation of ISP billing >>> and OSS____ >>> >>> https://sonar.software/____ >>> >>> >>> >>> ____ >>> >>> -- ____ >>> >>> Simon Westlake____ >>> >>> Skype: Simon_Sonar____ >>> >>> Email:simon@sonar.software >>> <mailto:simon@sonar.software>____ >>> >>> Phone:(702) 447-1247 >>> <tel:%28702%29%20447-1247>____ >>> >>> ---------------------------____ >>> >>> Sonar Software Inc____ >>> >>> The next generation of ISP billing and >>> OSS____ >>> >>> https://sonar.software/____ >>> >>> >>> >>> ____ >>> >>> -- ____ >>> >>> Simon Westlake____ >>> >>> Skype: Simon_Sonar____ >>> >>> Email:simon@sonar.software <mailto: >>> simon@sonar.software>____ >>> >>> Phone:(702) 447-1247 <tel:%28702%29%20447-1247>____ >>> >>> ---------------------------____ >>> >>> Sonar Software Inc____ >>> >>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS____ >>> >>> https://sonar.software <https://sonar.software/>____ >>> >>> >>> >>> ____ >>> >>> -- ____ >>> Simon Westlake____ >>> Skype: Simon_Sonar____ >>> Email:simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>____ >>> Phone:(702) 447-1247 <tel:%28702%29%20447-1247>____ >>> ---------------------------____ >>> Sonar Software Inc____ >>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS____ >>> https://sonar.software____ >>> >> >> -- >> Simon Westlake >> Skype: Simon_Sonar >> Email:simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software> >> Phone:(702) 447-1247 <tel:%28702%29%20447-1247> >> --------------------------- >> Sonar Software Inc >> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS >> https://sonar.software >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Darin Steffl >> Minnesota WiFi >> www.mnwifi.com <http://www.mnwifi.com/> >> 507-634-WiFi >> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook >> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> >> > >
