I didn't mean to spark controversy, I was actually just curious as to how Dave would approach any given app...but as he pointed out afterwards...I don't think many folks make "example apps" of their own customized frameworks hehe ;-)
As for FB...I've used variations of it since xfb days...and over the past year I've been absorbed into RIA with Flash/J2EE development so I'm a little out of the loop in the FB realm. As for mach-ii, I liked what I've seen so far...my initial response is that using this pre-built machinery is "icky" but I think I can get over my ego to try it out...hell, Ben's a smart cookie, I'm sure there's some good stuff in there to learn. ;) As for the more experienced folks on this list, I find Sean has the best attitude in that he approaches everything openly even if he doesn't like the initial vibe. Others, jump into these types of conversations just for the opportunity to belittle other people IMO. To each his own I guess...lol But if ya don't have something constructive to say then why not pipe it? If you're gonna challenge something then offer an alternative...otherwise all your doing is a disservice to list folks climbing the ranks in the development world trying to figure out which is the best road to take... Cheers all, Stace -----Original Message----- From: Brian Kotek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 5:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Cons to Fusebox I was just giving Stace something to do while he waits for the small sample app he asked about, Dave. >> Dave, clearly we disagree on a fundamental level on many >> topics. I don't know you, but I can tell you are an >> intelligent person (maybe minus the sarcasm), so clearly you >> must have reasons for not liking Fusebox. All I can do is >> disagree. I tried to do it before, but now I'll make it more >> decisive: I'm bowing out of this discussion. I really don't >> like getting into exchanges like this, and it could go on for >> days, and I feel that the point (to get folks to examine >> Fusebox as an approach with many benefits) has been made. >> Honestly, I have better things to do. >> >> I've said my piece. Fusebox is there and ready for open >> consideration by anyone who has the interest in looking at >> it. I'll leave it to the individual reader to make their own >> comparisons between your "common sense" methodology (with all >> the detailed and helpful techniques you provided along with >> it) and Fusebox. >> >> ... >> >> Stace, while we wait for Dave's example apps and >> documentation of his development approach, I thought I'd >> let you know that lots of examples and framework code is >> available at www.fusebox.org for anyone to look at and try >> out. >> >> ;-) > >"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but >considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" > >I find it amusing that people think the use of an emoticon lets them say >whatever they like without reproach. Maybe you should check your own sarcasm >before pointing out mine. I think that my criticisms of Fusebox have been >written clearly enough that you can understand them if you have a basic >grasp of English. That doesn't mean that you have to agree with them, of >course. > >But it does appear that you do not, in fact, have better things to do. > >Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software >http://www.figleaf.com/ >voice: (202) 797-5496 >fax: (202) 797-5444 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
