Hi,
I don't normally participate in threads like this but I could not
resist. Everything posted so far is probably correct and necessary and would
apply generically to any job hunt. I have my lab scheduled for October
(first attempt). I started this odyssey a couple of years ago and like many
of us have spent far too much time and money to back out now. But, I do not
believe that getting my number is going to suddenly make a huge difference
in my earning potential. Everyone's profile is different but I think the
trick is to be diverse, willing to work long hours, travel and wear alot of
hats. Let's face it, the 90's, God blessum, are over and so are the days of
$150,000 salaries for CCIE's. I have worked overseas for the past several
years on military bases and there is plenty of oppurtunity for experienced
people in this little niche if you are willing to do it. The certifications
will get you in the door, the USAF requires at least a CCNP for senior
infrastructure guys but experience is the biggest factor by far. They will
not consider someone with less than a couple of years experience, cert or
not. I honestly cannot comment on the job market at home except to say it
sounds dismal, if there really are CCIE's out there fighting over $35K jobs
than to hell with this whole idea, open a taco stand.
Regards,
Douglas Mizell
CCNP/CCDP
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>A lot of us have mentioned that it is not usually just the raw
>certification that gets the job, and in some cases, not even both
>experience and the certification.
>
>Even NRF has mentioned diversity is the key, but on top of that
>people skills. Lack people skills, you will find yourself not making
>as much as you "could" be (within a reasonable degree considering
>realistic opportunity costs).
>
>As you mentioned as well, depending on the kind of job you are going
>for and the politics involved around it, a certification may be
>useful, experience may be useful, the people skills...there is a
>whole plethora of things and all of the "importance" levels of each
>requirement vary greatly for each job.
>
>Basically, I do not think it is easy to make a full checklist of all
>the things you need and if you do it, you will instantly get the job.
> It changes per job a lot. Employers have different requirements and
>goals. I think at best we can leave it at that.
>
>NRF is not saying diversity is not the key either, all he is saying
>is that, considering all of those "requirements" that I mentioned,
>NRF is saying that the CCIE alone will almost certainly never match
>most of the jobs out there.
>
>I am assuming NRF means such because he has not explicitly mentioned
>otherwise. All he said was, the CCIE alone is not enough. I think
>he responded to the "Linux vs CCIE" thread by saying how most should
>know both, but not necessarily go all gung ho on the Linux cert.
>
> > I'd say diversity is the key. I know several CCIEs who, outside of R/S
> > don't have much to offer in the way of skillset and they are not
>commanding
> > as high of salaries as guys without a number but deeper and more diverse
> > expertise. It totally depends on the individual, the need, the location
>and
> > the experiences (which are unique to and every one of us).
> >
> > Will Gragido CISSP CCNP CIPTSS CCDA MCP
> > Suite 325 9450 W. Bryn Mawr Ave.
> > Rosemont, Il 60018
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> > "The Knowledge Behind The Network"
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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>rf
> > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 7:39 PM
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> > Subject: Re: how about ccie salary in US? [7:71143]
> >
> > - jvd wrote:
> > >
> > > I wonder if anybody is going to have anything positive to say
> > > about this post?
> >
> > So basically, you want us to lie, eh? ;->.
> >
> > Seriously, CCIE salaries have been down for awhile and any honest
>discussion
> > about salaries is going to be necessarily negative. When something's
>black,
> > it would be a lie to call it white.
> >
> > As far as the original question, so much depends on your experience
>level,
> > the geographical location, things like holding a degree (or not).
>Strong
> > candidates that have lots of experience, are well educated, and are in
> > places can still pull nice salaries. But I'm also aware of CCIE's
>applying
> > for positions that pay less than 30k - and not getting them. The point
>is
> > that the CCIE by itself guarantees nothing.
>-Carroll Kong
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