True, fairness is a must.  CCIEs without much experience are rare in the
field percentage-wise in comparison, as no-nothing frat boys who drank
through college are aplenty.  These chaps sure played good paintball, but
they were not good techs.

CCIEs with some experience are considered to have "college equivalent
experience and training" as it pertains to technical know-how, knowledge
that has proven to be crucial in the survival of a few companies that I have
worked in.  The companies did not care very much whether the CCIE had any
"soft skills" when it came time to salvage a disaster of a network.



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Jack Nalbandian wrote:
>
> That is anecdotal nonsense.  Any major corporation in need of
> real techs and
> that has a Cisco infrastructure will certainly consider CCIEs
> very
> seriously, yes even above so-called "CS" degree holders without
> much
> experience, for technical lead positions.  I can bring examples
> that are not
> merely "anecdotal."

At the risk of restarting a war, that's a bit unfair, don't you think?
You're saying that a CCIE (with experience, although you left that part
unstated) will be considered above a degree-holder without experience for a
lead position.  I think it's more fair to say that nobody without experience
will ever be considered for a lead position, regardless of other
qualifications.




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