The Frers 33 looks very interesting late 80's design. Nice support group with 40 member boats in their class association. Carrol Marine is a quality builder. Photos show the boats are raced very competively with large crews. PHRF of 109 to 114.
The J-30 is a late 70's design and a different boat entirely, 10% shorter, 25% lighter, with 575 boats built with a base rating of 144, indicating a slower boat by today's standards. Compare with a 1992 J-92 who's rating is 96 and the fun begins. Our local PHRF fleet is small and we race with 5 boats non-spinnaker and 3 boats in spinnaker fleet in usually 4 to 8 knots. I race non-spin which includes the smallest, a 21 foot 3 man Viper 640, to a C&C 37+. I think PHRF is our best choice, but it's rarely fair when the Viper sails at our speed just ahead of us around the course rating slower and we lose a place to a J28 that finishes 5 minutes after us. That's PHRF. If I had a little money, I'd buy a Beneteau Figaro II rating 102. If I had much money, I'd have an Open 60. Go Vendee Globe!! Still, I'm happy to own a beautiful C&C 34R. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "TARAS IWANYCKI" <tar...@bell.net> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 7:12:13 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating Thanks Rick That is very much what played out this season. I believe the handicap was 111 and he got three seconds and dropped to 114 for the modification His modification did not adversely affect the boat,,,,she is fast and points like crazy. Often outpointing etchelles We sail in Lake St-Louis / Montreal area, which is part of the St-Laurence River (My former boat was a C&C24.....presently have a J30) That is the challenge in PHRF racing,....the fleet can be very mixed. In the first race of the club championship I managed to edge out the Frers to the windard mark and sat to windward of him for 1/2 the race. But he managed to get ahead by the leward mark and once he had clean air,...he was gone I read one review that had them in a class with faster boats and they performed poorly (did not have clean air) but became the top boat when they changed class and were in front of the fleet I guess I will have to pull up our socks or buy that C&C37+ I keep eyeing Thanks Taras Montreal,QC
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