I would not lump the Healthcare web site fiasco into a Sysadmin problem. IMHO I feel the Government fell victim to some snake oil salesmen who sold them a bill of goods that was not adequate for the job at hand. That is a whole separate discussion. Heck look at this reference http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/29/technology/29wifi.html?_r=0 That speaks to something a lot of just experienced at LISA.
This is a good effort and because it may have failed in the past does not mean it will fail this time around. On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 3:58 PM, john boris <[email protected]> wrote: > Will, > I am sorry I could not attend as I had to leave LISA early. I like this > effort which in line (Sort of) w ith Matt Simmons efforts to create the > LOPSA Professional Recognition Program. To answer Gene's statement as to > > > while (1) { > bring up subject > argue for a few weeks to months > do nothing for longer > } > > I think the proposal to make this a LOPSA Committee a means to a better > end. The committee wold be able to meet on a regular basis > while discussing certain matters on the list to elicit feedback. As a > committee there would have to be at least a Board member as a Liaison who > would report back to the board at the regular meetings thus keeping it in > front of everyone and to keep the cause moving. > > Great work and effort. Hopefully we will get more info from others that > attended the BoF. > > > > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Willard Dennis > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hi Gene, >> >> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 12:27 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> There was a comment that we need to do this before someone else does it >>> for/to us. Who is this someone else? Why would they do this? Are >>> ther goals/motifs in line with LOPSA or where do they differ? How >>> far along in this path may they be? >>> >> >> I believe one of the examples given was a "healthcare.gov" type of >> fiasco whereupon the government (or industry in the crosshairs) would push >> for requirements for practitioners of systems administration >> (certification? licensing?) that may not be what we would like to see... >> Not sure how likely this would be (at least in the sort-to-mid term) but it >> did come up. It has already been mentioned on this list that there is a >> study being done for the Department of Homeland Security as to what level >> of Federal involvement would be needed to "professionalize the >> cybersecurity field" (see https://db.tt/ujCs6yJf for the draft study.) >> >> >>> IF they exist, why are we not working with them to come up with >>> something meaningful/useful/acceptable to all of us. >>> >>> More importantly, if they DO NOT exist, why not? If this group is >>> the only one talking about this, there is a bigger problem. Who really >>> cares? LOPSA and Usenix organizations are tiny. This past summer I >>> attended the "Service-Now" "Knowledge13" conference in Vegas. I don't >>> remember the actual attendee count, but it was something over 4000 people >>> with about 6000 expected at next years conference. For a "new" conference >>> focused around 1 software package, this is huge. By comparison, there >>> is almost no buzz around system administration. >>> >> >> That's a big unanswered question... See Matt Simmons' post from July 2013 >> to this list, exp. his point #4, "Lack of cohesion" - >> https://lists.lopsa.org/pipermail/discuss/2013-July/018397.html >> >> I think it's due to the individualistic nature of most people who are >> involved with system admin, the lack of common education in the field, as >> well as the technology siloing that many people fall into. I also think >> that it's because some organizations have failed to demonstrate value by >> not having enough material of interest to offer to the profession as a >> whole. Perhaps the elements of a professionalization movement (a recognized >> Body of Knowledge, educational and ongoing professional development >> resources, etc.) would be what is missing. >> >> >>> So back to topic.. >>> Every couple years this issue comes up in some form. In the past it's >>> been about "certifications" and attempting to come up with some >>> standards and tests. To have tests, you need to have something to >>> study. A body of knowledge. There have been a few minor steps in >>> this direction, but it quickly falls out to the back of other things >>> needing to get done, then forgotten and out of date. My feeling >>> the thread this time is called Professionalization instead >>> of Certification, but it's the same core issues. So.. >>> >>> while (1) { >>> bring up subject >>> argue for a few weeks to months >>> do nothing for longer >>> } >>> >>> What's going to be different this time around? >>> >> >> I know what you mean... Found a great slide deck that Geoff Halprin put >> out for LISA'99, entitled "Maturing Systems Administration", with many of >> these same issues listed... I'm sure the conversation has been going on >> before that time as well. I lack the historical perspective, being a >> newcomer to LISA (the conference) and only relatively active in >> volunteering for LOPSA programs. I'm very sure that others could chime in >> on the history of this. >> >> No guarantees on anything, but... I and some other folks are willing to >> give it another try this time around. >> >> >>> --Gene >> >> >> Will >> >> --- >> >> En somme, je fais ce que je peux, je souffre de la souffrance >> universelle, et je tâche de la soulager, je n'ai que les chétives forces >> d'un homme, et je crie à tous: aidez-moi. >> (In short, I am doing what I can, I suffer with the same universal >> suffering, and I try to assuage it, I possess only the puny forces of a >> man, and I cry to all: "Help me!") >> -- Victor Hugo >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators >> http://lopsa.org/ >> >> > > > -- > John J. Boris, Sr. > Online Services > www.onlinesvc.com > -- John J. Boris, Sr. Online Services www.onlinesvc.com
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