I your example the opportunity cost lost by company B in sniffing your
data would outweigh any savings they may receive from finding out what
Company A's discounts are.  Company B would have to have time, hire
hacks and processing power - bottom line a waste of time and effort -
there are better ways for company B to find a lower price.  They will
probably go to a competitor of yours who has no qualms of transacting
commerce over the Internet.

I repeat, avoiding EDI over the Internet because of security concerns is
ridiculous.

-RD



"Williams, Ian" wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > Why do you care about someone else's purchase orders or
> > invoices anyway? - it's a red herring.  Avoiding EDI over the Internet
> > because of security concerns is ridiculous.
> >
> > --
> > Richard Druckenmiller
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
>
> I disagree, it's not a red herring, it's a big nasty shark waiting in the wings to 
>bite you due to the basic principle that 'information is power'.
>
> If company A and B buy goods from me but I give company A a massive discount, I 
>don't particularly want company B to find out by sniffing around my invoices that I 
>send insecurely over the internet and start applying even more price pressure on me.
>
> If I buy goods/services from supplier X and have negotiated a good discount with 
>them, I don't necessarily want my customers or competitors finding out where I've 
>sourced such a good deal or any special terms I've negotiated that may be on my 
>orders that I send insecurely over the internet.
>
> This kind of sniffing may not be profitable at the moment but if 'everyone' started 
>sending all their current paper transactions via the internet insecurely, you can bet 
>your bottom dollar that a whole industry would spring up offering to tell you what 
>your customers, suppliers and competitors are doing with other organisations.
>
> With the paper-based system we trust our national postal services not to pry and 
>sell on information and physical envelopes have signs of tampering.  With the 
>internet we need to have a similar if not better feeling of confidence about the data 
>we send to the outside world.  Of course there will always be people/companies who 
>are happy to either do things insecurely over the internet or to develop bespoke 
>security solutions - that's their choice/risk.  However, for this whole B2B 
>e-commerce 'thing' to take off big-time we MUST have secure transmissions even for 
>basic business transactions not just the high risk, high value financial transactions.
>
> I'm not being unrealistic about the level of protection for the data - it will 
>always be possible to decrypt a file given enough time and computing power.  It just 
>has to be appropriate for that specific type of business transaction to make it not 
>worth anyone's effort to decrypt it and, no doubt these 'appropriate' levels will 
>increase over time.
>
> I repeat, internet security concerns are not red herrings.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Ian Williams
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