On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com>wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:47:32 -0500 Youness Alaoui > <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net> said: > > > Reminds me of some of the stuff I've been saying... > > As for "don't have time to do tarballs everyday".. well, that's why > there's > > something called "scripts" and "cron jobs".. those things exist, might be > > good to use these awesome technologies. > > hooray for your snide comments. wonderful attitude. you were not there on > irc, > nor did you even seem to have read the material at hand (the patches). > seriously, what's up with you? > It wasn't my remarks, it was the remarks from someone who wants to contribute to the project and who got offended by the way you talked to him. All I did was point out what I said before in the hopes that you'll realize that your own attitude is a problem. > do i suddenly have to be mr. nice to everything? "oh wow! how wonderful! so > awesome that you broke evas's api on your openbsd packages. so great to > see. > we'll love hearing the app developers ask us for help about their apps not > working on openbsd, when we will have zero clue that it was an api/abi > breakage > added specifically on openbsd. that's just awesome. please - make more > patches > just like that!". > > if its bad, it's bad. reasons were explicitly given for it being bad. > This has nothing to do with the patches, I didn't know there were patches, I didn't see any patches, and I don't care about them either. My point is you should learn how to talk to people if you don't want to drive away all the contributors and end up alone in the project. > > and as for "well just use scripts" - have to write and test those too. and > if > its just a cron job... then its NO BETTER THAN A RANDOM SVN CHECKOUT. that > was > my point... which you failed to read. if you don't sit down and spend at > least > some qa time on the tarballs... then its pointless. this is my point on a > mental block. i keep hearing it from people "omg !!!! svn trunk must be so > unstable!!! how can i use it?" - it's the image that just because its in > trunk > (or head/master/whatever) that it must be so unstable and a tarball made > every > day is going to be better. it's a RELEASE process of freezing and fixing > just > bugs that improves quality... not "make dist; scp *.tar.gz ...". > For you it's no better than a random svn checkout, good, but if they want a tarball, give them a tarball, as for "what if it doesn't build", well it should always build, noone should even commit anything without testing his work and making sure it doesn't break anything.. while breakage does happen, it's not something that happens 10 times a day, and it's still fine, if a tarball is fucked, then you can always say "use the one from tomorrow". There is a difference between having a build system do a wget and a build system do a svn checkout, maybe that's why they need tarballs, so they prepare their build system and when the release is out, they just change the URL instead of changing the whole system of downloading the image... And it's not about "svn is unstable" mentality, it's about "tarballs are more convenient". As for the scripts, no you don't have to write and test those, you can say "ok fine, someone write it and we'll put it on the server as a cron job", if noone does write the script for you, then too bad for them, it's not your responsability. If you wanted, I would have made the script myself.. we already have a script that creates a svn tarball everyday for aMSN, you could reuse the same script basically, and I could adapt it to the EFL. It's the same as svn? yeah, so what? it's better to help them by giving out the tarball even if it's the same as svn rather than telling them to fuck off. > > > > > if they require tarballs to > > > >> test and can't just run svn instead to fetch the source... i don't > have > > > the > > > >> time each day to make tarballs when they can just as easily fetch > from > > > svn. > > > >> it's the same work on their part. making tarballs is MORE work on > our > > > part. > > > > > > > > You missed the point, we want to be sure that the final archive will > be > > > ok. > > > > I'm not asking for snapshot on a daily basis, only some rc before the > > > > final archive. > > > > (Wait no project did alpha & rc, right ?) > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> Note that i discuss also with a Mageia e17 maintainer, and he told > me > > > that > > > >>> such snapshots will help him too. > > > >> > > > >> a snapshot has no more quality than an svn checkout, so other than a > > > mental > > > >> block thinking svn == totally unstable/unusable and an > unwillingness to > > > use it > > > >> because of a mental block, i don't see the point. > > > > > > > > yeah a mental block, I think you don't want to know how many time I > > > > have to reroll a dist to get all working and how frustating it is. > > > > > > > >> > > > >> a release that has had quality assurance done on it is a different > > > matter - but > > > >> we arent doing them every day. hell no - not with al the efl trees > we > > > have. > > > >> only chance of that is if we stopped having separate libs and just > > > merged them > > > >> into a single efl tree. > > > >> > > > >>> Vincent > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >>> RSA(R) Conference 2012 > > > >>> Save $700 by Nov 18 > > > >>> Register now > > > >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > >>> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" > -------------- > > > >> The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >> RSA(R) Conference 2012 > > > >> Save $700 by Nov 18 > > > >> Register now > > > >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > >> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > RSA(R) Conference 2012 > > > > Save $700 by Nov 18 > > > > Register now > > > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Bruno Dilly > > > Senior Developer > > > ProFUSION embedded systems > > > http://profusion.mobi > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > RSA(R) Conference 2012 > > > Save $700 by Nov 18 > > > Register now > > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > RSA(R) Conference 2012 > > Save $700 by Nov 18 > > Register now > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 > > _______________________________________________ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > -- > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - 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